Amanda Serrano vs. Heather Marie Hardy II & Jacob Joseph Paul vs. Nathan Donald Díaz RBR

Jake Paul has definitely improved over the years, since the Nate Robinsons of the world.

 

Women's fight was terrible, good job Serrano has a nice pair of legs

Level in the Diaz-Paul scrap was crap but it was kinda entertaining

 

I'd imagine it's a tie-in to his PFL deal, plus both Paul brothers have a more than solid wrestling base & and certainly Jake could have been quietly working on his MMA game for years now

Might just happen soon

 

Paul has improved.

Strangely enough an earlier version probably stops Diaz.

No point for MMA fight. Massively one sided

 

It's actually pretty funny at this point, if you accept the abomination that Murica is.

Askren was a wrestler with bad striking so that was more of a warm-up to the UFC demolition to come.
Then he defeated Woodley twice and KO'd him badly. Woodley was a feared puncher who even made the champion kickboxer Wonderboy scared of exchanging.
Then Silva was supposed to be a master striker, boxing too.
Then Diaz was supposed to be an amazing boxer for MMA, with Ward claiming he was actually good etc.

And Paul is just humiliating one after another. Yeah, they're out of prime, but still it's funny. He's just chipping away at any boxing cred MMA has.

 

Im still looking at this clown like why is this getting soo much attention. An average boxer would ko these fools.

 

Age of social media.. thousands of young guys / girls are multi millionaires when they wouldn't have been **** back in the 90s and earlier lol

 

I usually agree with what you have to say but this time not so much. Old fighters decline precipitously and especially guys that don't practise boxing as their major discipline, fighting in a boxing match. This sort of argument opens up the Belfort mauling of Holyfield as being an indictment of boxing. No. Holyfield was just old AF. Jake's fighting these old MMA guys because they are OLD and MMA guys.

That said I'm actually interested in seeing him against a current boxer, for the first time. He's worked hard and is starting to look like an actual boxer. Let's see if this guy is just in it for the money, which is what I suspect, or whether he's got an actual aspiration to be anything in the boxing world.

 

there is declining fighters then there is an almost 60 year retired fighter, not even comparable the Holyfield situation

 

Holyfield looked better than most guys in their 20s

 

In a "real fight" the first guy who slams a chair or bottle over the other guys head, or fires off a bullet to the other guys' body, is the winner. No one or no man in real life wants to have a sweaty man on top of him for any length of time, grinding away and trying to choke the other guy like a little girl. Well, MOST men don't anyway. Evidently MMA guys don't mind it at all.

 

looks can be deceiving even though he has access to Evan fields medicine cabinet he’s still 60 inside. David Haye was shredded but made of wet paper, maybe that was his vegan diet but looks mean nothing.

 

that's not a good argument. The original post i replied to was questioning the toughness and ability of an mma fighter. You are dragging the goal post to something outside of fighting to try and make it seem what i said isn't relevant.

second. A boxer or anyone else who knows little about grappling would not have much grinding, there would be fist smashing their face and getting their arms broken. Grappling only looks gay when its two trained grapplers trying to pass guard. A boxer would get his guard passed and choked out or worst pummeled. It would look like relentless violence, and you'd be screaming for help for the police if one of those guys grabbed you.

 

You do realize every fencer, Kali practicioner, or member of paramilitary can move the goalpost in the same manner, saying in a real fight the MMA practicioners (usign the term loosely) gets stabbed, shot, cut, or beaten with a stick.

Boxing as shaped by Queensberry rules is an art. A system of combat (as well as an expression) developing, shaping, and flourishing under certain given set or rules. Such limitation both creates immense complexity of interaction between its elements, and hinders it when matched in void against more well-rounded martial art. Thing is, Queensberry boxing was never meant to aim at thriving in cross-discipline competition. Boxing of Figg times, with its kicking, wrestling, and weapons usage, was aimed at self-defense and it did just that. Our version doesn't. Sumo is a very similar situation, with powerful cultural heritage and impact (well, greater, but boxing used to be huge as well) and a glass cannon niche against other martial arts.

Even if you strip the discussion to macho talk about who would win if we use only our bodies, then boxing is still extremely dangerous, with its footwork, power generation and delivery, as well as angles, distance control, and in the more old-school fashion, clinchwork and control game. In fact its notoriously better than wrestling or kicking when facing multiple opponents (not that its an ideal situation anyway) because of how much easier it is to throw slugs while moving back or sideways.

 

Do really think a boxer has hulk power and they can just throw one punch and its over?

Very rarely in boxing do one punch koes happen. It usually has to be setup, there is always a feel out process. You have an over exaggerated view of how powerful a boxer is and how wide the skill gap is between them. A boxer even with a decent mma guy, still has to setup his punches, still has to worry about defense. No gloves or not. A boxer has less experience fighting without big gloves. It would be more alien for Canelo to block punches without the big cushion protecting his face. Sure some mma guys like Sylivia can get hustled into a gentlemen's agreement and get koed in one punch in an exchange. If the intent is instead to use any tool and just win the fight. The mma guy just has to close the gap and its over. Nate has been kicked in the head before and just shrugged it off.

If you dont believe how out of touch boxing purist are, there were people on this forum actually thought Evander would beat Vitor at *58 years old. Mma guys can last many rounds with boxers if not go the full distance, even a really tough joe blow with some boxing knowledge and a little toughness can go a few rounds if they know how to clinch.