Amateur boxing supplements

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Mattyice, Jan 18, 2014.


  1. jasper2005

    jasper2005 Active Member Full Member

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    No3 Chrome isnt gonna help you get back to where you were but.... anyways.... no amateur show i have ever competed at has drug tested... thats not to say they cant just they they dont
     
  2. rampant

    rampant Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It may already be affecting you as this is a duplicate thread.
     
  3. ant-man

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    :lol:
     
  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you really know that for sure? I mean you boxed for all 20 or knew boxers who did and the coaches were asked and 18 declined to find out? Or you just figure they wouldn't?

    I don't find it difficult to believe that the coaches might tell the boxer not to mess with supplements of any kind for a lot of different reasons, and that those who look for shortcuts don't want that for an answer ... because they want to do something they think will give them an advantage other than working hard and learning their craft better.

    You ought to give coaching a try sometime. Field some of these queries -- let a guy come to you 25 different times in two months with different questions about things he can take to get better ... and you answer 'well you can start by working 3 minutes a round instead of stopping in the middle to ask me a question' ... and see if you want to call your regional or national boxing commission about every GNC product he asks you about when you know full well he isn't putting in the work.

    That's my experience when I was coaching. Most of the people in the gym who continually ask these questions will listen to anyone but their boxing coach: the guy at Gold's gym pushing the stuff on him, his uncle who played football, the trainer who tapes ankles for track athletes at the local university, etc.

    When I had someone who was a serious boxer who was doing all the things I asked of him (or her) and giving it their all every day, I'd do anything for them. I expect most any coach worth his salt would.

    But I would first want to know: why do you want to take this? If the answer was something that could be achieved without taking it, I'd say let's not take shortcuts. Let's outwork people. Let's build toughness by doing it the hard way. If there is something that can't be achieved without a legal supplement, I'd love to know what that is. And if it's an illegal supplement, any coach who would condone it should be banned outright.

    I wouldn't ever want a boxer I was training to be taking anything that might end up getting them banned or suspended if they got drug tested. It would reflect poorly on them, on me and on our gym and our team.

    Matty, if you haven't asked your coach, I have to ask why? If he says it's too much trouble to find out an answer, look elsewhere. Or are you more worried that he will tell you something you don't want to hear?
     
  5. ant-man

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    Great post mate and absolutely bang on. :good

    It's wasted here though and alas will fall on deaf ears. :patsch

    All he wants to do is to take his nitric oxide. :lol:
     
  6. pecho26

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    Yes i know that for sure cause i boxed for the best coach in my country. Im just telling you my experience and talking to the trainers where there was boxing competitions.
    I dont know from where you come but here the situation is what it is. Very poor knowledge wise from the boxing coaches, as i hear in the countries near me its no better.
    If a boxing coach thinks that whey supplements will add muscle mass to you frame, what do we got to talk about?
    Currently i am coaching and will try maybe next year to go for an AIBA star. I hope to be better then them. Time will tell. If i tell you every "advice" you would think im lying to you.
    If you are a coach that you describe yourself to be kudos to you, but most people are not like you, and they dont know or they dont want to learn nothing. They are trapped in their little all knowing world. There are no tendencies to learn new training methods, nutrition, sports psychology, anatomy. Why would they?


    http://www.doghouseboxing.com/John/Raspanti090312.htm here you have one of the best boxing coaches in the business talking so much nonsense it cringe worthy.
     
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm no longer a coach, I did it for several years but I eventually had to choose between my job and coaching -- I couldn't do both and do both well.

    We were very successful for a start-up, starting with one amateur with no experience (we were both working out at an otherwise empty gym owned by an old man who was in very poor health and the old man suggested he ask me to train him). I learned everything I could about everything I could.

    I'm quite proud of what we were able to accomplish in a very short time. We even had a couple of former or future world champs come to train with us from time to time because they liked what we were doing, and another one sent from England to our little backyard gym in the U.S. to get ready for their nationals.

    I stand by my first post: ask the coach. If the coach doesn't have an answer, then look elsewhere. But don't ask on a forum and take what you get for an answer as gospel. You don't know who's doing the answering, and they won't be responsible if you find out that it was, indeed, a banned substance.

    We live in a microwave society. Everybody wants instant results. Everyone wants a shortcut. Why work for as many hours and as many days and as many weeks and as many months and as many years as it takes to get great when you can find a "magic pill" or a "magic punch" that will do it overnight? My answer is simple: because doing it the hard way teaches lessons that taking shortcuts can't teach you, and those lessons will be tested in the ring when things get really tough.

    Those are the times that define you. Those are the times that you find out how much champion you really have in your belly. And they don't make supplements that build that.
     
  8. pecho26

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    Too bad you dont coach anymore. You sound like a very good person and a person that would do anything for you guys. Very few people like you out there.
    Usually bunch of ****s looking for quick cash. Terrible.
    I agree that you cant look on answers on the forum, and finding the quick answers. Although i have met some quality people on here that im connected to through other social media.
    I dont know if he is looking for shortcut or just trying to find out if that supplement is good but i agreee he is doing it wrong.
    Take care pal.
     
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You too!

    I got to be a "guest coach" for a week this past summer. One of my former boxers, a female who went 5-0 as a pro before going into the Marines as an officer, started up a gym and an amateur team and invited me out. I had so much fun working with the boxers and got to experience again that moment when the light comes on and someone suddenly gets what you've been showing them all week ... and applies it in sparring. If she had stayed with boxing I feel sure she would have become a world champ but now she has two children and a great husband and a wonderful life. So proud of the person she has become, and so touched that she gives me a bit of credit for helping her find herself and straightening out her life (she was a bit of a mess when she started).

    Good luck with AIBA and continued success in your coaching endeavors.
     
  10. JonStevo10

    JonStevo10 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Class :good
     
  11. ant-man

    ant-man ant Full Member

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    This turned into a great thread. :good

    Hopefully the OP ditches the nitric oxide and gets focused on what really matters. :deal
     
  12. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This forum needs a like button.
     
  13. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Now this is what a trainer is all about. Not only training young people but educating them and bringing them up as well. Showing them the right way.
    :good:good
    Very good thread!
     
  14. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks for the kind words, people.

    Boxing gave me far more than I could ever give it.
     
  15. Mattyice

    Mattyice New Member Full Member

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    I would never take a banned substance I was just wondering if it was or not, thanks for the help guys