Amazed by Monzon

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  1. Beau Geste

    Beau Geste Active Member Full Member

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    I just watched several Carlos Monzon title defenses. Briscoe, Licata, Both Valdez fights, and the first JCB match.

    His ability to control the pace of the fight, his timing, and the powerful accuracy of his punches were a joy to watch.

    Head to head it would be difficult to see any other 160 pounder in history beating Monzon.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He is a fight fan's fighter in many ways because he does the things the average observer does not notice but which are so integral to winning fights. And his championship record is damn near flawless.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nobody controlled the range. Best double-jab/right hand i've seen on a fighter I think. Quantifying him for a computer game would be hard.
     
  4. Sweet Pea

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    Monzon meets every criteria for a great fighter.
     
  5. Frazier Hook

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    I would of liked to of seen monzon against a southpaw, also against a slick fighter like whitaker or burley to see how he handled that type of fighter, cause he seemed to have a answer for every style he faced
     
  6. Beau Geste

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    He was also very calm under fire in these bouts.

    For example when Valdez dropped him in their second fight he just got up and went back to work and systematically broke Valdez downover the course of the fight.

    In the Briscoe fight he was stunned a bit in the ninth but remained unruffled and dominated the rest of the match.
     
  7. Frazier Hook

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    While on the subject of monzon i remember there use to be a stupid rumor going round that he handled my man frazier in sparring while he was in america training for the licata fight
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    No truth at all to that rumor.
     
  9. Sweet Pea

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    He never really broke Valdez down, those were fights where he more or less just controlled the pace and did what he needed to win. Not altogether unusual for Monzon, particularly at that stage of his career.
     
  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    In my opinion, Monzon became a great champion in that Briscoe defense, especially in those last 5 rounds..he transcended being a good champion into a great champion.
     
  11. Frazier Hook

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    go and take a closer look a valdez's face and say that again after both there meeting's, by the last couple of rounds in the 2nd valdez fight, monzon cant miss him with the right hand! and is brakeing valdez apart
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    I've seen both fights and got no such impression. Maybe I'll take a peak at the final rounds of the rematch later. I've actually seen a card that had Valdez narrowly winning the rematch, though I didn't see it that way myself. Both were undeniably two of Monzon's toughest tests. Noone was on the verge of being stopped in either bout.
     
  13. Beau Geste

    Beau Geste Active Member Full Member

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    Monzon broke Valdez down in both fights.

    He dropped Valdez late in the first match and Valdez was barely returning fire at the end. In the second fight, Valdez was a mess at the end, cut, swollen and an argument could be made that he was taking too many clean punches late in the second fight.
     
  14. Frazier Hook

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    A different ref might of stopped Valdez in the 2nd fight his face was a mess. And he was eating punches by the closing part of fight, his eyes were so badly swolen shut he couldn't see the shots coming.
     
  15. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Against a southpaw, Monzon certainly had the right hand lead to get the job done. Combined with his height and reach, this is some of why I favor him over Hagler ever so slightly.