Amazing Joe Calzaghe Documentary

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  1. bailey

    bailey VIP Member Full Member

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    He called him out when they were both smw champs
     
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  2. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    lacy wasn't roy jones or bernard hopkins.
    he was a wannabe trying to make a name for himself.

    anyway you try to spin it, calzaghe retired 46-0 and didn't fight ottke, who held a belt at the same time as calzaghe, they both fought in the same weight division, and both retired 'undefeated'.
    what does that tell you about their intent?

    so calzaghe didn't fight the most important opponent in his division, as well as the best fighters in the world who were one division above and below him, when they were in their prime.
     
  3. Somali Sanil

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    He comeback after spending most of his career in America, you said he never fought there lol
     
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  4. Somali Sanil

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    Jesus, you’ve been told already by Bailey, Hopkins chose to fight someone else or it would’ve happened sooner
     
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  5. bailey

    bailey VIP Member Full Member

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    no one said he was
    The point was that he was known well enough for a hyped fighter from America to decide to travel for
    So was known



    ottke refused to fight him
    Happens. But when there were smw champs willing to fight calzaghe in lacy and Kessler, the fights happened.
    I think more fans respect undefeated Kessler than ottke but that is only my opinion

    Many times you get 2 champs in a division and the fight doesn't happen
    Just look at Jones not traveling to face lhw champ michalczewski as one small example


    Ottkes trainer openly said ottke didn't want to know, but was ottke more important than Kessler? Interesting for you to answer that
    Hopkins didn't want to fight calzaghe and that is documented
    Hopkins didn't fight the most important smw if I go by your logic and was interested in facing b Mitchell.
    Jones decided against calzaghe and went to hw. Don't blame him for that he was looking at a bigger fight but with Hopkins he talked of fighting Mitchell and instead of facing calzaghe fought hakkar.
    Now that is up to him and he may have good genuine reason. None of that is really the point.
    The point is you made out that calzaghe ducked Hopkins when it was in fact Hopkins who decided against facing calzaghe
     
  6. bailey

    bailey VIP Member Full Member

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    That's what I mean about not being able to accept the truth
    The truth seems to really hurt him?
     
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  7. Oddone

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    That’s even more embarrassing for Calzaghe. That Hopkins could start his career later and fight more than Joe did and against better competition by the time they met.

    Hopkins was older.

    FACT: Hopkins fought more rounds and in more pro fights than Joe when they fought. You said Calzaghe had more miles. You were wrong.

    FACT: Hopkins was older than Joe when they fought. You said Calzaghe had more miles. You were wrong.

    Hopkins had more wear and tear on himself when they met. There is simply no available measurement showing otherwise.
     
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  8. Boomstick

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    Is anyome actually trying to claim that Calz had a tougher road than BHop?

    Calzaghe gets more hate than he should, no doubt, but his road to the top was very well controlled and lacking in real challenges. Hats off to him when he got there though.
     
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  9. MAJR

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    Well, there is the fact that fighters age differently and some types of fighter can maintain themselves at a higher level for longer because of the different skillset their fighting style requires.

    Calzaghe was a high out-put pressure puncher with a unique punching style who relied on his speed, stamina and relflexes to overwhelm his opponents.

    Hopkins was a boxer-puncher who devloped into a spoiler type who relied his ring IQ to out-wit his opponents.

    Calzaghe could never have fought on into his 40's because his style of fighting relied on attributes which naturally deteriorated with age - and, specific to him, his recurring hand injuries - where as Hopkins could fight at the highest level into his 50's because he kept himself fit and relied on his brain.
     
  10. Oddone

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    My response was to another who said Calzaghe had more miles on his body when he fought Bernard Hopkins, than Hopkins had, which is simply false in every measurable metric.

    Recap here:


    This is pure nonsense.

    Calzaghe was younger. Age 36
    Hopkins was older. Age 43

    Calzaghe fought Hopkins in his 45th professional fight.
    Hopkins fought Calzaghe in his 55th professional fight.

    Hopkins had already boxed more rounds total than Calzaghe had when they fought.

    Aside from age, rounds boxed and amount of fights... you also need to look at the quality of opponent. Elite high level competition adds more miles onto a boxer as they simply take more damage and leave more of themselves in the ring win or lose.

    Hopkins fought better competition than Calzaghe as there is no one on Calzaghes record that compares to Hopkins.

    Hopkins fought an undefeated Roy Jones Jr who was coming into his prime. Hopkins took fights and pushed himself to be great against legends like an Undefeated Trinidad, an Undefeated Jermaine Taylor, Oscar De La Hoya, Winky Wright etc.

    To say Calzaghe, who didn’t leave the UK, had more miles on him than Hopkins is objectively, simply, wrong in every measurable metric.
     
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  11. MAJR

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    Yeah, I wasn't defending the argument that "Calzaghe had more miles on his body" than Hopkins when they fought. I was suplementing it with the argument that fighters with different styles and different skill sets age differently.

    In 2008 Calzaghe was not the fighter he had been two, three, four before because his hands were shot, and his reflexes were starting to go. He was a damn sight closer to his physical prime than Hopkins was - that is inarguable - but peak physical Calzaghe he was not.

    Hopkins, likewise, was not physically the fighter he had been a few years previously, but he adapted his style to cover for his declining physical attributes to maintain his place as one of the worlds best fighters - and that something very few other people could have done, because very few fighters were as talented and intelligent as Hopkins, and probably nobody has been as disciplined with their physical fitness.

    There is no question that Hopkins was older and had been in more fights by 2008 than Calzaghe had, and he certainly had fought more noteworthy names, but both men were beyond their best years physically when they met, and Calzaghe was always going to decline at a quicker rate than Hopkins because of the skill set he needed to make the most out of his style.
     
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  12. Loudon

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    Because that’s where the biggest stage was.
     
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  13. UltimateDestroyer

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    Undefeated Kessler who was a unified champ... and solid fighter, in a washout.

    I suppose Kessler was garbage, because he didn't fight in the US much either?
     
  14. UltimateDestroyer

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    There aren't many people who favour Calzaghe v prime Jones. I think he gives Hopkins problems. My point is what are you arguing exactly? Unless you think he loses clearly to Kessler, Lacy, Eubank etc 9/10 in an alternate universe for some reason?

    Like I said. Hopkins is debatable. Joe wasn't a blown up welter who Hopkins liked to look good against.
     
  15. Loudon

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    It wasn't a knockout.

    He was pushed.

    Ha!
     
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