America needs a Shift in mentality to dominate the heavyweight scene once again

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  1. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    I mean that's cold but I see where you're going with that. I think the better option would be using media outlets to make the sport more appealing financially
     
  2. Uncle Oden

    Uncle Oden Respect Guzman banned

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    What happened?
    You don't know?

    The NFL happened. More jobs, more money.
     
  3. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    Yeah but that's a **** sport. Proper gayboy stuff.
     
  4. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    I agreed with you before bud, and i'm not even a huge american football fan, but proper gayboy stuff? suit up and get out there and then get back to me:lol:
     
  5. boxalights

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    proper gayboy stuff? roflmao.. it's probably your favorite fighter's favorite sport fool
     
  6. Think

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    I have to agree with the other post, American Football is just Rugby with padding, I enjoy playing the video games and have watched a bit of it but its really not all that great, but then again I don't really like "English Football" and I'm from England, so I guess I'm not really a good judge on these things. Once you watch two men beat the **** out of each other its hard to go back to a bunch of over-paid dickheads rolling around on the floor pretending their leg has just been broken as a member of the other team brushes past him.
     
  7. MattMattMatt

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    The point he was making is that athletes in the US weighing less than 160lbs generally won't have a career in one of the bigger, scholarship backed, sports. Despite this, the lower divisions are not exactly dominated by US boxers, so it shouldn't be expected that the HW category would necessarily be any more dominated by US fighters than the lower divisions if the incentives to pursue boxing improved.

    Regarding globalisation, US fighters probably have a lot more competition from certain countries now than they did 50 years ago. Fighters everywhere can get better training, better sparring, and not to mention the huge impact that the electronic age has had...there are enormous archives of training and fight footage which is available at the fingertips of almost anyone anywhere in the world.

    Things have changed, the balance has shifted. Who's to say that any of the basketball players you listed wouldn't turn out to be like Michael Grant or Audley Harrison? Having what appears to be the physical tools does not equal automatic champion. I'm sure the US would do better at HW if boxing was more popular, that goes without saying, but how much better is just pure speculation - and I don't think it would be as much better as some folk might hope. Don't forget, boxing is rarely the most popular sport in any country, not counting a few exceptions, so the same arguments could be applied to almost everyone elses talent pool being drained.
     
  8. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    America produces great athletic specimens, which, in my opinion, are only second to Europe and Cuba. But boxing is not a prominent sport in America and many athletes find themselves in more popular, lucrative sports.
     
  9. chitownfightfan

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    american athletes who fail in their sports can always fall back on section 8, working babies mommas and the prison to work program.
     
  10. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    didn't you just post that?
     
  11. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    Euro-level athletes dominate the sport and will increasingly dominate in coming years. American athletes will, however, make good journeymen and gatekeepers for upcoming European prospects.
     
  12. Kel1981

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    I played rugby for 3 years, without 'suits':good. A proper contact sport.
     
  13. Kel1981

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    Roberto Duran is a fan of it?
     
  14. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    first of all, the lower weights are held in a tight grip by countries that produce higher amounts of smaller men, that's a fact. 140 and above, and stopping at heavyweight, has it's share of successful american fighters, and has had. in response to your ideas about heavyweight; if boxing was a bigger sport in america, then we'd have the pool of talent to be able to determine whether we're capable of dominating in that category again, like we had for many years in the past. that's all I was saying from the very beginning.

    furthermore, I agree on your ideas about how globalization affects the general competitiveness in boxing on an international level, A poignant example can be seen in the olympics and fiba world championships when the usa, the creators of basketball, were getting bounced out by teams like puerto rico, and being challenged by countries like germany and argentina. In response to that, the u.s and the nba especially made it a goal to promote and prepare not only for the domestic game, but the international game, and now the u.s is dominant once again. if a re-dedication like that was given toward boxing's heavyweight scene, we WOULD see a resurgence, it would only be a matter of time. it wouldn't happen as quickly or boldly as it happened with basketball, but it would happen.

    regarding your analysis of lebron james' boxing potential? who knows? I never said he'd be a champion. I'm just saying that truly transcendent athletic specimens like him (is he not?) are never seen in boxing these days because of the allure of other sports.

    also, how do you know how popular boxing is in any given country? have you lived in tons of different countries? I have no doubt that there are many countries, especially third world-esque ones, that thrive on boxing much more than america, and that most certainly wasnt the case in the past.
     
  15. boxalights

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    no and these weights have never been dominated by americans either. but 3 of the 5 greatest middleweights of the last 30 years were american. the other two are a jamaican and a congolese. america has always had a foothold in these divisions in the form of one fighter or another.

    but obviously not apparent now. eastern europe's most capable technician of all time retired a decade ago. thailand has produced far more advanced technicians than all of europe combined.

    uh, riddick bowe? he would have schooled lennox lewis and would wipe his ass with the likes that run the division right now. he was far far far more skilled than any of them.