American Boxing?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DJAdAmS, Nov 22, 2008.


  1. DJAdAmS

    DJAdAmS Ex-Army Middleweight Full Member

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    Its always the same story, you are unproven until you’ve fought in America. America may be where the money is, but it is certainly not where the talent is. I’ve never believed the thought that American fighters are the best in the sport. They’re not even second. America’s supposed dominance comes from two things - PPV numbers and Population numbers.Quite simply put - if you have more people in a country, then it’s more likely you’ll get talented people. It’s not like the US think, that they are all born with Uncle Sam’s raw nerve and determination like some sort of gift given to them from above for purely being American. I think not. See, talent comes from all over the world whether you’re from the US or Timbuktu, anyone from Beverly Hills to Buckingham Palace to a shanty town in New Mexico, it doesn’t matter, if you’ve got the talent to fight then you should. European fighters have had their names tainted by the likes of Sven Ottke and more recently Denis Inkin who almost refuse to fight outside of their own country, but you can’t tar every European fighter with that same brush.
    I mean it’s not like America is dominating the sport either, how many world champions are from the US? With the recent destruction of overhyped and half talented fighter Kelly Pavlik, you’d think the US would reconsider, but no now it’s ‘Bad’ Chad Dawson who’s the one to dominate. Don’t make me laugh, a win over a shot Antonio Tarver and scraping past Glen Johnson looks better on paper.
    I mean if Britain had a fighter who came over with a good knockout record and had only beaten an over-rated Jermain Taylor and Edison Miranda, America would tell us that knockout record means nothing because we didn’t fight a load of average US fighters.
    But because he’s American, that’s justified. Take Mikkel Kessler for example, what a fine fighter he is. He’s fast, incredibly strong, excellent chin and exceptional skills and a record to boot and America still won’t acknowledge him after him cleaning out a whole division. Oh but because Joe Calzaghe beat him, that’s means he’s not so good. Naive again America, see with wins over Anthony Mundine and Librado Andrade, both talented fighters on a world stage, this doesn’t make him just another European.
    He’ll come over, if you let him, and he’ll take out both Pavlik and Chad Dawson, no problem. I think and always have that its one rule for the US and another for everyone else and it’s this arrogance that blinds them to the fact that they aren’t as good as they believe. Their next generation of boxing pedigree, the amateurs, came home from Beijing medal-less.
    And don’t tell me that doesn’t mean anything, The US weren’t saying that when they were doing well at the Olympics a few years back. So I don’t see where the next line of US champions is coming from and this is why your re-using all your old champions until they’re so far shot you don’t even credit fighters for beating them to a pulp.
    That why Bernard and Roy Jones are still here with Oscar still hanging around, getting the biggest fights and paydays for Americans because the truth is simple, there isn’t really anyone to take their place. Pavlik showed he isn’t up to it and Chad Dawson will get exposed when he faces a real challenge.
    So what do we need the US for? PPV numbers certainly, with a population like that who can argue. But when was the last time America staged a fight that drew over 30,000 people to watch it ringside? Americans will pay to watch it from their armchairs where they don’t have to move and the fried chicken is only a few inches away, but won’t go and watch it.
    The fact is simple, America can promote and broadcast your fight better than anyone else, but when it comes to acknowledging other fighters from other cultures they’re not so keen. It’s time to wake up America, your fighters don’t dominate your PPV numbers do.
     
  2. imp4pdabest

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    There's good fighters from every country. I think ppl need to stop giving respect & disresepect to fighters because of the country they're from.
     
  3. imp4pdabest

    imp4pdabest Guest

    There's good fighters from every country. I think ppl need to stop giving respect & disresepect to fighters because of the country they're from.
     
  4. Danny_Rand

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    Blah blah blah. Another European who doesnt know what the hell you are talking about.

    America holds 15 straps, Europe holds like 16. If you add Mexican, Puerto Rican and other latin American fighters who primarily fight in the USA, its not even close.

    If you go division by division, I would say the only divisions where Europeans represent better then Americans is SMW and Heavyweight. Certainly not in the lower weight classes where their isnt a European to be found besides a few sparce names.

    Dawsons wins over Adamek, Tarver and Johnson are just as good as anything on Calzaghe's record not named Hopkins, and Dawson is only 43. he'd beat the **** out of Kessler btw, who hasnt proved himself against anyone.
     
  5. DJAdAmS

    DJAdAmS Ex-Army Middleweight Full Member

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    I'm a realist and yeah a few good comments followed by garbage and more garbage. Stop being so naive. I know your in a bubble, but the future is not looking good and face facts the rest of the world is slowly taking over.
     
  6. Danny_Rand

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    Its ****ing annoying. Look at the ring of fire Jermaine Taylor was put through. Marquez, Hopkins X2, Wright, Spinks, Pavlik X2. And they ***** about Kessler not getting noticed for fighting Hausler. :rofl
     
  7. Danny_Rand

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

    Yeah because europeans are so massively represented below SMW. I mean look at the massive amount of European talent at Welterweight. Margarito is from Madrid isnt he?
     
  8. Royal-T-Bag

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    FAIL

    If any brit or euro beat Taylor twice and and Miranda they would get instant credibility and would be a marquee name in the states. You gotta remember Taylor beat B-Hop twice (more convincingly than calzaghe and a younger version of b-hop)and held his own with Winky, while also fighting quality opponents like Cory Spinks, Lacy and Ouma which is far superior to Kesslers resume and edges out Calzaghes resume too. By doing this at such a young age Taylor proved himself as a worthy HBO fighter, he gets a lot of underserved criticism around here though. Soooooo by beating Taylor twice Pavlik earned the hype, it makes sense. The problem with a lot of euro's and brits is that they choose to face bummy mandatories to hold on to their worthless belts(who cares about belts nowadays??) instead of fighting the other top guys in their divisions. Some examples- Sturm, Zsolt Erdei, Kotelnik, Kessler(although he's one of my faves), Mundine, Inkin, Junior Witter, Kirilov
     
  9. DJAdAmS

    DJAdAmS Ex-Army Middleweight Full Member

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    OKay. look above this sentence and you will se he fought 4 out of 5 americans there. PPV numbers!!! Stop kidding yourself and take a look at reality.
     
  10. DJAdAmS

    DJAdAmS Ex-Army Middleweight Full Member

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    Just cos i'm european does not mean just european talent. I'm talking everyone apart from the country covered by a bubble 'USA'. Now take a good look.
     
  11. Danny_Rand

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    All the best Latin American fighters fight in the USA. They know its where the top talent is. Just because europeans like to hide out in Europe beating up eachother doesnt change that fact.

    You think Dawson wouldnt crush Kessler like he did a similar fighter in Polish Adamek?
     
  12. Realspitts

    Realspitts Boxing Addict Full Member

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    look, the bottom line is America is and will always be the mecca aka big stage of boxing. it is what it is. get over it.
     
  13. DJAdAmS

    DJAdAmS Ex-Army Middleweight Full Member

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    Not for long.
     
  14. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    reality is there was NOT ONE EUROPEAN that was ranked high enough for Taylor to have fought. Jessus this is a ******ed post. Think about it why in the **** would Taylor defend against someone unheard of who hasn't even cracked the top 5 when he could fight a top 5 guy in with a bigger name? It's just logic, unfortunately there just weren't any Euros or Brits worthy of a Taylor fight besides Clazaghe who was at SMW when taylor was at MW.
     
  15. Sedona

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    Go find yourself a Euroweenie boxing website....you'll be happy there. No need to put yourself through such misery, no?