american fighters fighting abroad

Calzaghe beat all the top American SMWs which was the division he was contesting in, in his prime

Pascal hasnt gassed since, and Pavlik couldnt KO Taylor at SMW

The Ring mag and Boxing news both had Froch a close winner over Dirrell (obviously not the robbery you say, just a close fight, open to interpretation)
Boxing match not a street fight- How often does Hopkins go low in clinches?

Very lucky streak obviously, and still on it

Most fighters cant carry a pay per view card on their own. Was Malignaggi that big a draw after being beaten by Cotto, and having 2, what looked lucky to some title defences? If so that says something

 

There's not really a such thing as home "turf" advantage because of the distinction between regions of the country and the individual states. So each state can be seen as a country on it's own. Like Gatti in AC or Cotto in NY ... DLH is Cali or Vegas ... Johnson in Colorado ... Diaz in TX ...

It goes both ways ... there have been more non Americans exposed in America than vice versa. So many non Americans come to the states with so much hype and once they get a taste of the top notch American fighter they lose.

A ton of the guys that go abroad don't have a strong enough base in the States or in the case of certain divisions, the champions are over seas.

 

Ali vs Cooper !


Oh but wait considering the robberies and the lack of talent all I can say is that there have only been good wins abroad !

 

With all the hype surrounding Euro fighters, they get to feast on has beens and fringe contenders while building their name and once they get matched up against someone top notch they get knocked out or outclassed.

No Euro figher has ever came to the states and took out a top notch American fighter.

 

L Honeygan KO over D Curry
Lewis win over Holyfield
Hatton over Collazo
Calzaghe over Hopkins
P Ingle KO JNR Jones
Hamed over Kelly
Williams underdog when beating a faded Tyson
Lewis over Tyson
Froch over Taylor
Hatton over Malignaggi

All away wins,

There could have also been Sturm over De La Hoya but in truth I think im in the minority In thinking Oscar deserved that the win.

 

Different sides of the country have completely different cultures and fanbases, and unlike in the UK, it's prohibitively expensive and time consuming for a road opponent's fans to travel to back him up. Sure, Calzaghe fought in London, and that's not Wales, but there's a huge difference between a 3 hour car drive and a 3 hour flight. Fighting in New York versus Los Angeles or Texas is more like fighting in a completely different country than like fighting in two different parts of the same European nation.

Heck, for a fight that's coming up - Adamek fighting Arreola in Ontario, California, he might as well be fighting Klitschko in Germany.

Plenty of Americans do head overseas, but it's always money that rules. Whoever has more of it will get the fight at home, period. Most name fighters, no matter their country of origin, will mostly fight at home because that's where they can draw crowds. For example, Kelly Pavlik defended against a European and a Mexican in the US, and Abraham defended against several Americans in Germany. They just never fought the good ones, because the dollars didn't make sense for either of them to cross the pond to fight the other.

It also doesn't help that there are a number of promoters (i.e. Universum and Teiken) who like to have their guys fight complete no-name bums whenever possible, which means you'll never see a top American face any of their fighters.

Thus, when you do see an American coming to Europe (or a European coming to the States) who's actually a good fighter, more often than not it will be when there's been a purse bid or when a fighter is the mandatory.

 

Utter nonsense. Calzaghe did no more then Jermaine Taylor did, he simply out worked an older man. Except JErmaine Taylor didnt get put on his ass and get a cut opened across his face.

A prime Hopkins with stamina schools Calzaghe.

Both Antonio Tarver and Ornelas were younger then Hopkins. **** everyones younger then Hopkins dudes 45. Please dont use that as an excuse its silly. The only fighter capable of beating Hopkins at 160-175 is Chad Dawson.

Hopkins would spank Bute. Bute was put into survival mode against Andrade.

pquote]To think you saying a guy like Froch who has made some good defences would be ignored in America, when Pavlik who has made some bad defences (As in who hes beating, not performing) Isnt ignored.[/quote]
Because Pavlik didnt need a lucky KO to beat Jermaine Taylor fighting above his natural weight. Pavlik was the first to dominate and stop Miranda. 2 of the last 3 fights Froch has won he's been lucky. There was no luck in the fights Pavlik won.

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Flash KD. Happens to the best. Dawson schooled him and the very next round had Adamek reeling from a power shot to the gut. You really think it changes at CW? Dawson fights at 190. He's a huge LW.

As for Adamek at cruiser? Did you see his fight with Steve Cunninham? If not for the 3 knock downs he loses that fight wide. Every time Stevie managed to stay on his feet he was dominating. Adamek looks good against fighters, but is there for the taking against boxers.

Are you seriously comparing Jeff Lacy to Chad Dawson? First off Lacy is smaller, slower and has less power then Dawson. Secondly Dawson has accomplished far more in his career then Lacy ever did.

Dawson is 6'1 southpaw with a 77 inch reach

Lacy is 5'10 with a 74 inch reach and one dimensional.

Dawson would have been the best fighter Calzaghe has fought in his entire career, including Hopkins.

And? Fighters lose it happens. When you dont hide in your hometown and fight everyone 99% of the fighters lose. He avenged his loss with a brutal 1st round KO.

How do you know they dont extensively test for steroids in the pros.

So who would win if Ward and Froch fought?

As for Bute, I have to remind you, im not European, Bika, Berrio and Andrade mean nothing to me. They have accomplished nothing in their respective careers for me to consider them decent scalps.

Ward beat the best there was, that makes him the best, period.

Why? Its not like he KO'd Lennox Lewis. He out pointed huggy bear John Ruiz.

Have you watched videos of Roy Jones in his prime? Can you tell me what steroid on earth(conviently forgetting that what he tested positive for was a over the counter suppliment and not a steroid) makes a fighter that good?

Mosley would brutally KO all three. Not only his level. dont insult me.

He's considered the best because he has the best resume at light welter. I mean its crazy how you insult a guy with wins over 3 world champions in a row and a top prospect and at the same time try to feed me bull**** about your Euro fighters at super middleweights legacies. Atleast the guys Bradley beat were tested champions.

So your excuse for Hatton looking ugly against urango is that he fought a Columbian fighter in the states. :rofl Cant make this stuff up folks.

 

Because Pavlik didnt need a lucky KO to beat Jermaine Taylor fighting above his natural weight. Pavlik was the first to dominate and stop Miranda. 2 of the last 3 fights Froch has won he's been lucky. There was no luck in the fights Pavlik won.

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Flash KD. Happens to the best. Dawson schooled him and the very next round had Adamek reeling from a power shot to the gut. You really think it changes at CW? Dawson fights at 190. He's a huge LW.

As for Adamek at cruiser? Did you see his fight with Steve Cunninham? If not for the 3 knock downs he loses that fight wide. Every time Stevie managed to stay on his feet he was dominating. Adamek looks good against fighters, but is there for the taking against boxers.

Are you seriously comparing Jeff Lacy to Chad Dawson? First off Lacy is smaller, slower and has less power then Dawson. Secondly Dawson has accomplished far more in his career then Lacy ever did.

Dawson is 6'1 southpaw with a 77 inch reach

Lacy is 5'10 with a 74 inch reach and one dimensional.

Dawson would have been the best fighter Calzaghe has fought in his entire career, including Hopkins.

And? Fighters lose it happens. When you dont hide in your hometown and fight everyone 99% of the fighters lose. He avenged his loss with a brutal 1st round KO.



How do you know they dont extensively test for steroids in the pros.



So who would win if Ward and Froch fought?

As for Bute, I have to remind you, im not European, Bika, Berrio and Andrade mean nothing to me. They have accomplished nothing in their respective careers for me to consider them decent scalps.

Ward beat the best there was, that makes him the best, period.

Why? Its not like he KO'd Lennox Lewis. He out pointed huggy bear John Ruiz.

Have you watched videos of Roy Jones in his prime? Can you tell me what steroid on earth(conviently forgetting that what he tested positive for was a over the counter suppliment and not a steroid) makes a fighter that good?


Mosley would brutally KO all three. Not only his level. dont insult me.




He's considered the best because he has the best resume at light welter. I mean its crazy how you insult a guy with wins over 3 world champions in a row and a top prospect and at the same time try to feed me bull**** about your Euro fighters at super middleweights legacies. Atleast the guys Bradley beat were tested champions.



So your excuse for Hatton looking ugly against urango is that he fought a Columbian fighter in the states. :rofl Cant make this stuff up folks.[/quote]

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