American Heavyweights Are Bums!

Listen, idiot, Ali would absolutely beat either klitschko, this is undebatable except for you klit fanboys.

To say he is 3rd h2h is truly just ******ed. The only guy i could legit see beating him is Louis. ANd even then I see Ali winning.

YOU come back when you can have a legit conversation about ATGs and a good fighter dominating a ****ing horrible division.

Just gtfo. :hi:

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Except that Ali would definitely beat both klits. there's no doubt in my mind. The klits haven't beat that caliber of competition in their lives and they never will. meanwhile Ali did ALL THE TIME.

 

Yeah h2h ali beats them 100%, I always thought Lewis and tyson would. MAYBE foreman beats vlad but not Vitali.

P4P many others are better but the size and strength (in combination with skill yes) differences almost make them a different breed.

You just cant h2h the atg heavyweights.

 

Amercia must throw away the old system, that is picking first and only from the
"At risk youth" in the population, they must start look only for the best, and not just
some punks that will end up in prison if not put in a sports program....

 

no! Its something called rationality!
the nr 1 guy on my H2H list is Lennox Lewis!

the division is unpopular, that doesnt make the fighters weaker! Ali is ATG because his fights had significance to the people, not because they were the best H2H ever! Popularity decides who's ATG! Not skill!

 

Lennox Lewis :rofl The dude that went life and death with mercer? and KTFO'd by McCall and Rahman? All OKAY fighters? HAHAHAHAH

Ali is an ATG, because he had incredible speed, a great chin, great skills, footwork, heart, movement, and charisma.

And look at the guys he beat. Look at his RESUME compared to the klits. it just blows their resumes away. no contest at all.

 

Huge stretch here, essentially all Heavyweights are bums outside of the Klitschko's...I can tell you took a lot of time thinking this over.

 

but you can compare them! How many fighters have ali fought and beat, with the size of the K2s, Lennox IN HIS PRIME?? How did he do aggainst them?? With the skillset/training the K2s, Lennox had???

N/A

How manny fighters, have the K2s, Lennox fight with the size of Ali, IN THEIR PRIME? How did they do aggainst them? What skill level did they have, how well were they trained?

+ nr1= A lot,
+ nr2= they beat them all,
+ nr3= modern fighters have better skill training and are aware of the mindgame tactics(alis greatest weapon)!

thats a good starting point! numbers dont lie!

 

you can blank out the rest! the fanboyss decide, who is an ATG, not the numbers, or facts!

 

Styles make fights, and I think Tyson would KO the Klit's, he's not ATG necessarily, and I don't mean to be the "Tyson is GOAT" guy but the Tyson that unified the belts beats both Klitschko's IMHO. Prime Riddock Bowe would give them hell. Prime Ali isn't even a debate. There are several American heavy's from the past that would give them hell. That being said, I respect their size, power, skill, and conditioning and they would be a tough task for most anyone, but there are guys who would beat them. Prime Tyson would beat Lennox Lewis, if Rahman or McCall can KO him, I assure you prime Tyson could.

 

Up until late 08, there has always been an American champ. Wow barley 2 years out of over a 100 yrs have we not had an American champ.

 

again with your double standard bull****!

By you logic(again)

Ali got beat by a cruiserweight(frazier), a LHW, with 6 fights Spinks, and quit on his stool,(so much for heart) vs Holmes

Lewis wins, because, he had a great jab, greater physical strenght, than Ali, bigger punching power, than ali, stronger uppercut than Ali + he beat everyone in he met in his pro career(something Ali cant say for himself)! And he was fighting no bums, in fact, most of Lewis opponents were bigger and physicly stronger than Ali.
He beat:
Tyson
Holy
Tua
Vitali
Morrison
Botha
Golota
Ruddock
Bruno

Ali<Lewis, both by resume and H2H

 

Good points, except Lewis never beat Vitali.

 

:good