American super middleweights of the last 10 years and some questions

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    He might not have been as bad as you say. Read below.

    The other potential top American SMW of the decade could be Lacy whos career was short but shone brightly

    Lacy beat Vanderpool to become champ in a fight for the vacant IBF belt vacated by Ottke
    Lacy beat Sheika who went on to challenge for the WBC title after and who recently gave former WBC LHW champ Diaconu a hard fight
    Lacy beat R Williams who was 26-1 at the time
    Lacy beat R Reid a dangerous world rated SMW who looked unlucky against Ottke. Reid had beaten undefeated Magee who is Butes next opponent and who became European champ and after losing to Lacy beat Brinkley who coincidently, was Butes last opponent.
    Lacy also beat Pemberton who was on a winning run of 5 and had twice beaten Sheika in those 5 wins.
    After Lacys loss he went on to
    Beat Tsypko who had beaten Magee (Butes next opponent) by close debateable decision and undefeated Adamu.
    Lacy also beat the other top American SMW of his time at the top in Manfredo

    Saying Lacy could possibly be Americas best SMW of the decade might not be far wrong either. It seems debateable between Lacy and Mitchell
     
  2. bailey

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    Now. Can you not read? I said lets not make this thread about Calzaghe and Ottke.
    Also this thread is for the years 2000-2009.
    Your right in that there are some good fighters in your list and worthy of a thread of their own, but some of them werent as good SMWs as they were in other divisions, so lets not twist it too much. If that were the case and I was to do that, I would have praised J Taylor higher for his wins over Hopkins that could rival many names on that list
     
  3. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The discussion has moved onwards and this topic was opened up in this thread.

    I just compared the 90's SMW to the SMW in the times of Calzaghe and Ottke in response to some other poster before.

    And in Comparison, the 90's was the best scene. Matter of fact I reackon that scene is even greater than todays. A super 6 in the 90's would have been:-

    Benn, Eubank, Collins, Roy Jones, Toney, Nunn

    around 93 - 95.

    A super6 in Calzaghe's and Ottke's time would have looked something like

    Calzaghe, Ottke, Beyer, Mitchell, Brewer, Tate.

    Not on the same level as the S6 of today even.
     
  4. Lance_Uppercut

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    :lol::lol: And once again you hype an American fighter for the benefit of the boxer you love....what a joke you are. :patsch
     
  5. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:

    Whats so great about that
     
  6. g.dog

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    Pemberton,Shieka... the **** you on about? mediocre at best.
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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  8. bailey

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    Blocky Jnr. Here you are again stalking me :patsch. Weirdo, dont you think its becoming a bit of an obsession to you now.
    You have to remember as a completely non bias poster I give credit to fighters from all different countries.
    Still dispute the fact that the fighters I note are not the best SMWs from the last 10 years. Oh thats right you cant, because you only come on here to stalk me, not debate boxing :lol:
     
  9. bailey

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    Not much, but it did highlight that Lacy was looking dominant as the best American of the past 10 years.
    Consider Pemberton had 2 wins over Sheika, one as a KO and Sheika would go on to challenge for a world title twice more and give Diaconu a hard fight.
    Pemberton was a solid puncher and had earned a world rating.
    So in the scheme of the complete SMW picture not a massive thing but for Lacys bragging rights as the best SMW in America, beating the fighter that had beaten the fighter who gave Lacy a tough fight in his previous outing, it was a fair win and one that would probably rank higher than Brinkley or Joppy on Butes world title defence resume
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not disputing. Read on below
    :good
     
  11. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You wrote a passage to big up Jeff Lacy in response to this post:-

    Why did you try and refute the above post when it is 100% correct. This was your response:-

    BEASTLY PEPE discussed what he saw in Jeff Lacy on tape, what he saw off him in fights. What you discussed came of his resume off Boxrec.

    I agree with PEPE, Lacy was a one dimensional plodder...... in short a hypejob whose resume aint even all that as you highlighted here:-

     
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  15. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I could discuss facts regarding Sugar Ray Robinson and how he lost to bums like jones, maxim... and 19 other fighters, but if I try to imply Robinson wasnt all that, you would know I am mis using facts.

    For Example in respnse to BEASTLY PEPE who said:-

    I agree with that pretty much, I dont know about you, but your response to his post wasnt a response of affirmation, and more of negations. Then you wrote down some facts which dont really prove ****.

    Like Lacy beat Syd Vanderpool, how does that disprove the following:-

    If you want to use facts to disprove a point then use them in relations that makes some sense. Your response didnt disprove none of the above points mentioned my BEASTLY PEPE. So you saying I used Facts, that dont mean **** to be honest. You didnt use facts, you used boxrec to prove Lacy beat Syd Vanderpool and Scott Pemberton.....