American super middleweights of the last 10 years and some questions

You still got to effectively reply to my last 20 posts.

You think a Super 6 containing:-

Calzaghe Ottke Beyer Kessler Lacy Mitchell

is more tougher than

Froch Kessler Ward Dirrell Steiglitz Bute

But aint made a response.

Go and condition yourself instead of quitting on your stool when I unload.

 

I use facts that support my points. While you use boxrec that has nothing to do with the point.

BEASTLY PEPE schooled you on how Jeff Lacy is a **** fighter, and you then used some boxrec lines about Syd Vanderpool to try and prove Lacy is a good fighter, while in the process making yourself look stupid.

Froch outbrawled Pascal convincingly. Pascal proved to be alot tougher by becoming the #1 LHW in the world.

Froch travelled to America for his first world title defense something Calzaghe was too ***** to attempt. While behind on the Cards KO Taylor.

I scored the boxing match very close for Dirrell, but Dirrell was clearly losing the mans fight, Froch made Dirrell run away, so Dirrell doesnt deserve the title.

You dont know how to use boxrec, you mentioned Syd Vanderpools and Scott Pembertons resume off boxrec to try and convince the world Jeff Lacy is an ATG :rofl

I hope you dont quit on your stool again.

 

I already showed you my top 10 SMW of today, and you know fully well that I ranked the top 3 as Froch, Ward, then Bute so what bias did I use. I proved that the top 10 of today **** over the ones in 2005.:deal

And you cannot argue that Froch today has a better than Calzaghe did in 2005 so you replaced Froch with Ward, as I schooled you on already on a post you couldnt fully mentioned but only ended on:-

You clearly aint conditioned to do the full 15 rounds and looking to quit on your stool.

You have Ward #1 because he beat Kessler who beat Froch. But one win doesnt shoot you up ranks, at SMW Froch has won the WBC SMW title twice, beaten the Future #1 LHW Pascal, beaten the former #1 MW Taylor. IMO Froch ranks higher than Ward in the P4P ranks aswell as the SMW ranks.

Even your bible boxrec doesnt have Ward at #1.

Even this is bull****. Froch has better wins than Bute, so does Ward. So Ward is #3.

Either way, Bute is clearly a better fighter than Lacy when you watch them in action. Bute has shown he can counter punch, fight off the back foot, and has KO power in both hands with accuracy. What had Lacy shown.

Regardless, Bute beating Andrade, Miranda and Brinkley and Joppy > Vanderpool, Permberton Old Reid and Sheika.

Kessler's best wins in 2005 was Mundine and Siaca.

Froch has beaten Abraham, Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell. How the **** can you say Kessler was a better SMW in 2005 than Carl Froch.

Top 10 Best wins of the SMW of 2005: Eubank, Mitchell, Mundine, Siaca, Sheika, Nardiello, Vanderpool, Reid, Green, Sam Soliman

Top 10 Best wins of the SMW of 2011: Kessler, Abraham, Dirrell, Green, Bika, Andrade, Steiglitz, Beyer, Taylor, Pascal

Compare the competition between the two generations, your homo love for Calzaghe will make you think that Sam Soliman was a great competitor or that Manny Siaca is an ATG. But the competition in 2011 has been alot stiffer as shown by the single wins.

Dont quit on your stool answer the full post

 

I dont know, you want to make an allegation bring evidence and then we go from there.

Look I didnt get schooled by BEASTLY PEPE, you did. Its all recorded, he mentioned Lacy's attributes in the ring, you mentioned Syd Vanderpools resume.

Therefore you got schooled and put on ***** street. I wont be touched by BEASTLY PEPE coz he aint in my calibre and I would school him if a disagreement occurs, but your skills being limited to boxrec copy and paste led you to be KO'd by an unknown man.

He was nearly 46 years old, but regardless you was trying to discredit Jean Pascal by saying he is ****, Calzaghe didnt want to stay around with the likes of Pascal, Pavlik, Froch, Hopkins II, Dawson, Dirrell, Ward, Abraham, Johnson. Pascal was amongst those that made Calzaghe run away from the sport.

Calzaghe didnt want to travel to fight the #1 SMW Sven Ottke.

Dirrell didnt deserve the title running away. I dont know about you but that is being a ***** in the ring. You may enjoy that kind of fighting, tapping and then running away, Froch won the mans fight.

I will discuss with you Calzaghe's inability to fight off the backfoot that doesnt require no need of boxrec. But can you do the same? You live on that **** like its crack for you.

ATG was sarcasm since you been holding his toilet roll abit too high for him. But you get my point.

I never advertise myself as a religious person, but since you mentioned it I understand I shouldnt lie and I cant argue with that since it is a major sin to even use it as sarcasm. But we can discuss Religion some other time since it is much more important than boxing.

But when did I mention religion before?

Understood.

You can postpone, but not quit on the stool.

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8587459&postcount=47

I showed you my top 10 in this very thread. You never called me bias then.

Calzaghe having 20 or so more fights than Ward and Froch, yet still many believe he would get beat by them just shows how weak Calzaghe's resume is. Ward schooled Calzaghe's main prize in a way that experienced Calzaghe couldnt.

Kessler's best wins in 2005: Siaca and Mundine
Frochs best wins in 2011: Abraham, Taylor, Dirrell, Pascal, and Shot Reid.

Froch is clearly the better SMW than the Kessler of 2005, Thats proof there.

You make an excuse for Kessler but not for Froch. Regardless only Tilemann had it a wide decision for Kessler and we know from the Ottke days he is as corrupt as they come. Kessler vs Froch was a close contest, and as Froch said post fight if that fight was in England it would have gone to Froch.

Calzaghe's top 5 wins in 2005 vs Carl Froch's top 5 wins
Eubank > Reid
Mitchell < Abraham
Reid < Pascal
Woodhall < Taylor
Veit > Dirrell

Thats 4 - 1 in favour of Froch.

Froch has a better resume than Ward. Thats why I rank Froch above Ward. Also Froch loss to Kessler was close, and wasnt decisive clear cut, he showed that night still he is one of the best SMW in the world.

You cant spell Properpley

Speculation.

**** Boxrec, I use it to prove points. I just criticised the way you used boxrec to try and disprove BEASTLY PEPE, who schooled you earlier on how Jeff Lacy is a bum.

And you argued back with Lacy fought Vanderpool. How the hell does that disprove Lacy was a bum.

You being upset that I criticised you on it with a justified reason, now is trying to criticise me for an unjustified reason.

I mentioned Froch beat Pascal and you throw up the boxrec card. I mention Froch beat Abraham and you say "why you using boxrec". man I use boxred when I want what the **** will u do about it.

But I didnt say Froch beat Pascal, who drew against Hopkins therefore Froch and Hopkins rank on the same level. If I said that then I misused it and deservingly be criticised for it.

Even if you add those names, if they are pre 05. The competition today is still alot tougher.

1. How have you proven to me that the Supermiddleweights of 2005 were tougher than the Supermiddleweights of 2011?

And Bika would have ****ed Calzaghe up in a street fight but what has that go to do with the discussion.

 

Your response was weak then and it is weak now, you still aint effectively disputed the 10 - 0 Thrashing of the 2005 SMW you try to big up/

 

before these were your words

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8587902&postcount=48

You know that we are comparing the whole top 10 of 2005 which you claimed is greater than the top 10 of 2011.

Why dont you try and defend your claim then. You begining to mention Calzaghe UD Kessler and Calzaghe UD Bika just goes to show that 10 - 0 unanswered thrashing I put up before was too much for you to handle.

If you want to discuss 2008, we can but that would mean you accept that the SMW division in 2011 was alot tougher than 2005.

You still aint got a reply to the 10 - 0 thrashing I put up.

Are you trying to say Siaca and Mundine are better fighters than Jermain Taylor?

Do you also think former SMW champions, Lindell Holmes, Denis Inkin, Thulani Malinga, Dave Hilton, Bruno Girad are better fighters than Andre Dirrell and Jermain Taylor?

Bernard Hopkins has fought at SMW early in his career, you probably think Mundine was a better fighter coz he won a title there and BHop didnt.

That doesnt prove the 2005 SMW were/are better than the SMW of today.

Please stick to the point. Calzaghe beating Kessler wasnt pre 2005 so aint part of the topic.

But since you couldnt dispute with that 10 - 0 thrashing I gave you earlier you have to mention it.

Eubank was past his best and weight drained and got beaten by a lesser fighter in Carl Thompson in his next two fights.

I can agree Eubank > Reid, but I disagree with the rest a past prime who was semi retired and fighting at a weight he wasnt comfortable at.

Dirrell, Pascal, Taylor, Abraham > Eubank

Eubank was past his best and wasnt even top 10 ranked for the past 2 years, while the other 4 were top 10 ranked when Froch beat them.

Dirrell, Pascal, Taylor, Abraham > Mitchell

Pascal becomes the #1 in the LHW division and beats Diaconu and Dawson. When has Mitchell achieved more than that.

Calzaghe lost to reid on one scorecard, Froch dominated AA from bell to bell.

Froch UD Abraham > Calzaghe SD Reid, anyday.

Woodhall > Reid
Taylor, Dirrell, Pascal, Abraham > Woodhall

Do you also think Veit was a better fighter than Hagler who fought at SMW a few times?

Your Logic is flawwed for not including past achievements.

Mario Veit has never been in the SMW top 10, hasnt won a world title, his best win is a robbery over Braehmer which he got KO'd in the rematch.
To me thats 5-0 when like that.

Dirrell > Veit
Abraham > Veit
Pascal > Veit
Taylor > Veit

Pascal was and still is a solid fighter who is the #1 LHW, and Froch won it comfortably, more comfortably than Hopkins did. You aint watched the fight check my youtube channel I made a highlight video.

Win is a win. Froch beat Taylor, and took control of the fight. A fight is not 2 rounds long where a person runs away and then comes back the next day.

Its a full 12 rounds. Froch won no one complaint. Froch TKO12 Taylor is a better win than all of Calzaghe's at the time of 2005.

Calzaghe was luckier vs Hopkins and Reid, but I still dont disregard them as losses.

We are comparing Froch's bests wins to Calzaghes best wins of 2005. You have to mention losses and change subjects coz i put you on ***** street with that 10 - 0 thrashing post.

Abraham was in a tournament that didnt allow him to have a tune up fight. Regardless

I told you there is nothing wrong with boxrec, but you tried to prove Lacy is not a bad fighter by mentioning Vanderpools resume after being schooled by BEASTLY PEPE that Lacy was a bum. and that is mis using boxrec.

Froch has average speed does that mean he is a bum?

BEASTLY PEPE gave around 10 points aswell as a look at the mans resume. You got schooled by him and when in defeat always learn a thing, you tried to mention Froch got average speed but that dont mean he is a bum.

That aint speculation, but saying we wont be here discussing...... that is.

Froch has a better resume than Lacy. Agree or Disagree.

Froch is a better all round fighter than Lacy. Agree or Disagree.

Give a one word answer to them questions, and you would be self pwned.

Its the truth, I showed you misusing Boxrec after being schooled by BEASTLY PEPE, but you aint showed me misusing it so I said I use Boxrec what you going to do about it.

Looks like you agree then.

:dead

I didnt bother finishing that, but that 10 - 0 thrashing I gave you earlier is still unanswered.

We are comparing 2005, to 2011

I aint going to come back in 2015 and bump this thread and say I told you so.

The SMW of today have better wins, are better fighters, and are involved in better fights.

As proven above didnt have a better resume than Froch in 2005, therefore

1 - 0 to the SMW of today.

Kessler's best wins were Siaca and Mundine.
Ward has beaten Kessler himself, Green and Bika

2 - 0 to the SMW of today

Bute also IBF Champ, beaten Joppy, Brinkley, Miranda, Andrade...

3 - 0 to the SMW of today.

- Beyer had beaten Sheika, Green, and Lucas
- Kessler has beaten Froch, Beyer himself, Andrade, Sartison

4 - 0 to the SMW of today

Mundine vs Dirrell
- Mundine had beaten Echols and Sam Soliman
- Dirrell has beaten Abraham and Hanshaw

5 - 0 to the SMW of today.

- Green's best win was Lucas.
- Andrade has beaten Lucas, Steiglitz and Mack

6 - 0 to the SMW of today

- Siaca had beaten Mundine
- Johnson has beaten RJJ, Mack, Green

7 - 0 to the SMW of today

- Grant had beaten Ryan Rhodes.
- Steiglitz had beaten Orrnelious and Barzay

8 - 0 to the SMW of today

- Reid had beaten Nardiello and Cherifi
- Abraham has beaten Taylor and Miranda

9 - 0 to the SMW of today


10 - 0 to the SMW of today

Stay on topic and ur replies will be shorter.

 

****ing hell, get a room you two!