Amir Khan, can chin be trained/taught/strengthened?

if you train for strength with weights you will put on some size (its down to calorific intake and weight lifted ultimately)

ie get the fcuker doing some 20 rep rest pause squats.

if khan had a chin he`d be awesome, not having a chin lets the haters in lol..

any *****, any fighter and theyre there..

i think fighters go up the weight classes far too quickly probly down to hormone use and never really get strong for theyre weight, or get bigger than they need to and dehydrate/rehydrate to ridiculous bodyweights and rely on theyre mass rather than strength against a smaller man.

gotta respect floyd or any boxer for keeping close to his fighting weight all year round.
i suspect floyd would be very strong for his size and weight in the gym lifting weights.
anyhoo i digress lol

 

Building legs def helps. I've got quite built legs and I must say I've always taken punches very well. It's just a shame I don't have any other elite skills!

 

Chin cant but defensive techniques such as rolling punches and getting better footwork to get the maximum possiblity to evade and/or counter can. Khan is still young but he needs to be a "boring" fighter and focus on utilizing range and jab every opportunity in order to be elite. He has the tools but not quite the brain of a proper mechanic.

 

his mechanics are all wrong. he opens up when he throws in combination and leaves his chin wide open. this is something he's been getting away with since the amateurs and now against highly skilled opponents they are making him pay. he needs to spend serious time re-programming very basic moves to prevent this in the future. it can be done...but he doesn't have the patience or understanding to make the changes. he's with the right trainer. he just needs to spend more time in the gym with virgil working on those things.

 

Not sure, but when Khan was doing Ariza's conditioning he never hit the canvas, and managed to soak up punch after punch from Maidana -- he was badly hurt, but was able to come back from it and keep going.

Ariza on the issue:

'"When he was hurt by Marcos Maidana, I told Freddie that all we needed was about 15 seconds and that he would come right back. I think that the biggest misconception is that theory about the chin, and this is just a theory of mine, and that is that the strength of the chin has to do with something in the neck or the jaw muscles or things like that. But really, when you get hit, what's the first thing that goes? The legs. So, so much of my work that I do for these fighters is that I concentrate on the legs," said Ariza.

"So the drills, the balancing, the positions I put them in where the legs are stable when you're completely fatigued, I think that that was the key element for Amir against Marcos Maidana. I knew that once Amir was able to get a few seconds in, moving around, that his legs would find their stability because they had been there before. Amir has been there where he feels like they're not under him and things like that. So these are things that we've done before, so it was nothing new for him to feel like that and to recover from it."'


( http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/173951-roach-arizas-absence-did-not-affect-khan-vs-garcia- )

It could be a coincidence, but when he left Ariza he didn't look as good or as sturdy, although he did well to get up from the Garcia knockdowns.

 

This. However I think it's pretty clear for all his skills his chin will alwys be a weakness.

 

He has a Glass Jaw. End of discussion.

 

:deal

 

I honestly think there is no hope for his chin.. He can improve defense though and be a smarter fighter which may allow him to go a while without being knocked out, but we all know that can only go for so long before he is hit again. Honestly, he has one of the worst chins I have seen for a prime professional fighter.

 

:deal

 

How many times has Amir been hurt with a partially blocked shot or even when he had his feet planted firmly? Everytime I've seen him get hurt it was a full blooded punch when his hands were down and\or he was skipping around. I'm not saying his punch resistance isn't below average but it's the way he fights that's the problem. He fights nervous\scared and that's why he's one dimensional, starts to trade when he doesn't need to and why he's having a hard time ad******g to a more thinking style. I think the biggest thing he needs to work on in training is standing his ground DEFENSIVELY so he learns to stay calm under pressure.
I honestly think that nervousness affects how you take a punch cause you stiffen up and your head takes all the force, there's no give in your calves, knees, pelvis etc.

 

No. You either have a chin or don't. It's only gonna get worse for him.

 

Where does this notion that Khan is tight at the weight come from? He was outweighed by 6lbs on the night against Peterson, and by 2lbs against Garcia. He generally rehydrates between 8-9lbs after weigh-in.

Physically he looked the smaller and weaker man against both Peterson and Garcia. Having seen Khan in person he is probably 5'8'', and has a slender build. Angel Garcia called him out on wearing heels, and stated that he needed to go back down to 135. Personally I think 140 should be optimum for Khan, but he would be significantly outsized against the bigger welters.

These are not the signs of someone who should be moving up to the next weight class. If Khan is indeed struggling to make 140, he really needs to look at how he makes weight. Cutting weight is a skill, and some are better at it (and more willing) than others.

All the talk when Khan moved up to 140 was that it had "fixed" his chin, and that his issues at LW were due to difficulty making weight. Now that his chin has been cracked again at 140, the talk is that he should move up again. What happens when he gets knocked out at 147? Does he jump to 154? In a few years he'll be a heavyweight (and still getting knocked out) by that logic.

 

I think the problem is not so much of a physical aspect, or his physical chin, I think, the problem is more of his mental state. I think Khan cares too much about what other people think about him. You have to keep in mind, he's the first ****stani professional boxer, and he comes from a culture where people often critique accomplishments and status. I believe he brings that mentality into the ring, in the sense, where he feels he has to look good or his own people will not be proud of him. Perhaps, this is one of the reasons why he is always in panic mode, or always worried about what may happen to him in the ring. Again, this is only a theory, something I think MAY be the cause of the problem.

 

You know, you make a good point. Khan has had to deal with a pressure unlike any American boxer has to deal with (besides of course Mayweather). He's a legit celebrity in England where the media scrutiny is absolutely intense. If Lamont Peterson and Danny Garcia were to lose here in the US, it wouldn't even make Sportscenter. That of course isn't the case for Khan in England. This is no knock on Garcia or Peterson. It's just the way it is.

I doubt there are too many tennis fans on this board. But anyone that has followed Andy Murray and the intense pressure he faces to win Wimbledon understands the scrutiny that comes with being in the british media spotlight.