Amir Khan has a decent chance to Shock the World by beating Mayweather Mid/Late 2012.

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  1. Davew430

    Davew430 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My definition of a live opponent : A fighter who come's and present's a real danger.

    Right, Kotelnik never really presented a danger, low KO% + average Boxing skills = No Danger

    Malignaggi couldn't crack an egg, people overrate his Boxing skills, simply because he's quick and can move a bit = No danger

    Judah, Dangerous for all of what, 2 rounds? Maybe 3 at the most. Judah wasn't up to a tough fight 5 year's ago, even less so now. So... No Danger

    Now, i've argued my point, you give me your point to why Kotelnik, Malignaggi and Judah we're "Dangerous" fight's for Khan?
     
  2. Darni187

    Darni187 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Maidana has the blue print to beating Khan that's why Khan was coasting to a wide points win before that 1 punch in the 10th made it a close fight.

    Khan came in the ring at 151 because the day before he had a limit of 140, not 147 like Floyd.

    I bet you Khan comes in over 160 in the ring at 147, Khan is bigger than Floyd.
     
  3. Davew430

    Davew430 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe i was, but i alway's see Katsidas as one of them guy's who never quite make's it too the top, he's World Class alright, but he can never quite put it all together.

    It's going to be hard watching the Pacquiao-JMM fight, i just hope JMM can pull something out of the bag and make the fight competetive
     
  4. Darni187

    Darni187 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A live fighter for most dont mean a puncher, Kotelnik, Paulie, Zab were live because they are not too old or shot and had a chance of beating Khan in a boxing match, they were all active top 10 140 fighters present of former world champions, if they are not live then you got some issues, or just class live in a different way.
     
  5. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    I too can see Khan "Pumping his jab" initially, until he starts eating counters over the top of it and gets discouraged. That work rate will slow down against PBF, as it does with every other fighter who faces him.
     
  6. lazarus20000

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    It will be interesting how JMM is affected by Pac's new punching power. The way Pac has demolished fully grown WW/LMs has been really impressive. It would be suicide for JMM to engage Pac like he did back in the lower weights. His best bet is to stay light and mobile and not take too many risks. I doubt his punching power would faze Pac either...
     
  7. Davew430

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    That's where i disagree.

    Kotelnik is the only fighter you can make a case for. He wasn't old or past it, he just wasn't that good a fighter or World Champion, he's average at best.

    Malignaggi was never a danger in terms of punching or Boxing ability. He's quick, slick and can take a shot, not much more.

    Judah, Zab is past it and has been for a while, you can't argue with that. He was only World Champion because he got a gift v Matthysse, many people thought Judah lost that fight.

    The problem is, Khan could take on much better fighter's, i'd love to see Khan fight Matthysse, Bradley, Ortiz and co. Wether them fight's happen or not is another question, but you being a Khan fan can't be happy with his level of opposition
     
  8. Davew430

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    It'll be intresting to see considering JMM had Pacquiao doing the chicken dance when they last fought
     
  9. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Who in the world felt Paulie had a chance? Honestly, Paulie was handpicked to be Khan's US TV debute because he was feather fisted and presented no danger, Zab is shot end of story, and Kotelnik is "good", nothing special but can handle himself in a ring. Not exactly "live" by my estimation.
     
  10. Davew430

    Davew430 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    100000% agree
     
  11. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are being overly critical of Khan i think. He is chasing after belts and facing the best where he can. It's not his fault that some of the belt holders aren't brilliant. He wanted to fight Bradley but he ducked Khan for money. Now he will face the winner of Morales and Mattheyse, the latter of which you rate highly.

    As for him facing Floyd, i think it is a bit too soon. I'd rather he gets another 3-4 fights (3 at WW) and then face Floyd. He still has faults in his technique which needs sorting. But i can understand his urgency to face him, as Floyd isn't getting any younger....
     
  12. lolercakes

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    Kotelnik obviously wasn't the worst world champion at the time as he beat Alexander but got robbed in St.Louis. They don't give out Olympic silver medals to "Average" fighters......

    Malinaggi came of two convincing wins over juan diaz first one of which he got robbed in. He is a good boxer, with fast hands, big heart and a great chin. Malinaggi would give most fighters at 140lbs a good fight.

    Judah won a VERY close decision vs mathysse it could have gone either way. Judah was coming of a 5 win streak and an impressive ko win vs mabuza who stopped Kendall holt. The same holt that floored bradley twice.

    If you have a brain you would know that JMM jumped TWO weight DIVISIONS to meet floyd at 144, BUT floyd didn't even honour that agreement. So basically on fightnight he was probably 20 pounds heavier than a blown up marquez. How can you even give credit for that win is beyond me. I would favour Khan over JMM at 140 and Shane Mosley at 147. As for Ortiz being the same skill as Khan is obsurd, peterson showed ortiz can be easily outboxed. Ortiz is a glorified brawler who has alot of power and great physical advantages over his opponents. Floyd should really make it an easy night.
     
  13. Davew430

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    I aint being harsh on Khan, i understand Khan want's belt's and respect the fact that Khan actually does want to fight the best fighter's out there, too many fighter's duck and dodge opposition where Khan doesn't want to do that, i do understand that bit...

    But you've also got to understand, even though Khan has the hunger to fight these good and great fighter's, he hasn't done so yet. Wether that is down to him, his trainer, his promoter or his amateur team he has around him i don't know, but it doesn't change the fact he hasn't fought a proper live opponent other than Maidana
     
  14. Davew430

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    Right, now if Alexander had of gone onto great thing's i'd agree with your Kotelnik comment, but the fact is he hasn't.

    Malignaggi fought a blown up lightweight in Juan Diaz, a Juan Diaz who had his mind more on his Law Degree rather than in Boxing.

    Judah was losing to Mabuza if i remember correctly before landing a decent left hand?

    I never give credit to Floyd for the Marquez fight, if you read i said Marquez was a handful for anybody... BELOW 140lbs. The only credit i give to Floyd is for fooling a lot of people into thinking it's a credible fight, much like he's doing with the Ortiz fight, when himself and anybody with half a clue know it's going to be an easy night's work
     
  15. Thread Stealer

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    I'll wait and see how Floyd looks against Ortiz. Unless there is a significant decline, I don't give Khan much of a chance at all.

    Despite Khan's improvements, he's still very flawed and far behind Floyd in skills, ring IQ, versatility.