Amir Khan Vs Zab Judah Build-Up Thread

I hope so :good

You must write lines like that for a living, Right :hey

 

Well after the Haye/Wladimir fall out, I'm glad the next big fight is not too far away at all!

 

Come on Laz (not on me please...keep that **** on Khan!) 11 minutes and thats the best you can do? :nono

sounds like what you are inferring (im assuming thats gay porn) is a style of literature/entertainment you are exceptionally well versed in! :yep

 

Jpab's starting to really convince himself, the closer the fight gets, the more he thinks Judah could actually win this.

My thought process is that, obviously it's essentially common knowledge that if Zab's going to win, it'll be early. From watching the McCloskey fight, and I know it's not one of Khan's more stellar performances, but it's a good reference point for this fight, when Khan was faced with a fighter who wasn't taking the fight to him, he would advance sporadically and let his hands go a bit. Now, this'll work against someone who proved to be as limited as McCloskey, but Judah, for all his faults, has that special ability to punch in between/during his opponent's punches, while retaining his power, speed and explosiveness.

Khan comes in basically just pumping his fists, and he really squares up at times to a worrying degree. If Zab is to stand off, I can really envisage him uncorking a massive left uppercut right up the middle when Amir advances early on and taking him out. He's got more power, explosiveness, abundantly more speed and is much more subtle than Maidana. If I were Roach, I would constantly keep it in Khan's ear that he has to stay exclusively on the outside for the first 6-8 rounds, you can't afford to take risks against someone as dangerous in the early going as Judah, particularly when you don't exactly have a cast-iron jaw.

I'm still picking Khan to win, but I haven't though about it too in-depth. Just food for thought I think.

 

That's a nice breakdown, JP.

I'm not sure Roach believes in this 'Zab is dangerous for the first half' stuff. Weirdly enough, he said that they're going to go straight after him and see what he's made of.

Would it be right to say Judah's only chance is that counter left hook/uppercut of his? Because literally every person sums it down to that being the deciding key and the main thing Amir needs to watch out for. Looking forward to this one. Both have to be agressive to win, I think.

 

That's not something I'd recommend, though I'm hardly more well-placed to speak than Roach.:yep

Going after him from the get-go isn't something I'd advise in the slightest. Maybe in the later going if he manages to tire Judah out a bit/Zab begins to lose focus would be the better option. I'm surprised Freddie actually said that if I'm honest, maybe it's just lip service, because he's basically saying they're going to do what would be ideal for Judah

He may have had a somewhat disappointing career considering his ability, and could quite possibly be past his absolute best, but Judah really isn't someone they should be using those methods on, he's still retained a lot of the neon things, his speed, power etc are all still there, it's not like they're up against McCloskey mark II here.

I'd say it's the key because it's got a lot of factors to it, has the left uppercut. First of all, it's Zab best punch, he throws it excellently, he times it better than any other shot in his arsenal it's thrown with such prowess. It's done damage to more proven fighters than Khan, he had Cotto on ***** Street amongst others with it a lot of people forget.

The thing is, it's a shot that Khan isn't likely to see coming, because of where it's coming from. Especially considering Judah likes to throw it when countering a jab, it's well disguised too. Obviously Khan's immense speed will make it difficult, but he has to be wary of Judah dipping back to his left side when he's coming in, because you can see him almost sizing it up a lot of the time.

I think it's Khan's height advantage that kind of makes people see that as the main pathway to victory for Judah. He's got a jab that can really off-set a fighter's rhytym, but he'll find it hard to utilise that against Khan I think, particularly if he has to come forward with it. I can't see a Judah victory if Amir fights a la Malignaggi or the first three quarter of the Maidana fight, because I genuinely don't think he's that effective coming forward, or, at least, the majority of his tools will be nullified because of Khan's style.

It's imperative Khan doesn't get careless though, no matter what. You saw it in the Mabuza fight, it only takes one mistake for Judah to take a guy out, and, unlike El Chino, he's a great finisher, not a sloppy one. I'm starting to get pretty pumped by this fight actually, the first Khan one in a while. McCloskey was obviously a marking time fight and I never really rated Maidana(or, more to the point, I felt he was overrated by some), but I find this very intriguing.

 

Pab19 some very good points.

I think the main thing in this fight for is to not over reach and not to over use the right hand too much in the first half of the fight. He needs to break Zab down with the left hand and be very watchful of Zab's counter hooks or uppercut.

Keep hitting with the left jab, Zab wont like that and then himself come forwards towards Khan to get off that's when Khan should let the right hand go. Also I don't want to see Khan trying to force work or trying to land combos early on, he would be in danger of getting countered doing that aswell.

I think Khan's straight punching and Zab's low lead should gel well for Khan, the key is to remain cool and watchful in the first 4 or 5 rds I would say.

 

Seriously though, I hope Khan beats the shite out of Judah. I've gained a lot of respect for Khan the boxer over the last year. He seems to want to secure a legacy for himself, which is great to see. If Bradley continues to duck him, a Mathysse fight would be epic.

 

Yep, really looking forward to this fight aswell. Khan's biggest test to date I reckon. Judah gave Mayweather fits for the first 4 rounds or so and Pernell seems to have brought more focus to Zab's game. Khan really does need to show he can be disciplined in this fight because any lapses & Judah can K.O. him, especially over the first 7-8 rounds.

 

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Khan looking really fast on the pads... Zab also looking good.

 

You made some great points I didn't even think of. Freddie said Amir's jab is something he'll have to deal with, but as you said, if he's going to come forward in the fight, then it'll be hard to utilise it.

The thing is with height, Judah has done fairly well with guy's taller than him. In his words "I've knocked out everybody that's been taller than me". Whether that's true, I have no idea. Mabuza definitely didn't use his height well in his fight.

The thing is with the Mabuza fight, it took Zab 6 rounds to do that against him.. no disrespect to Mabuza but I think Khan is levels above him in pretty much every department and Zab wasn't exactly having a field day with the guy.

I'm guessing it'll be a lot of controlled agression from Khan, going in and out so he's not in there long enough to get countered, but as you said, Judah's timing and speed is excellent and all he has to do is land one of them through Khan's flurries and the tables could turn.

It sounds like another potential rollercoaster (one which I'll absolutely **** myself in, as usual ).

 

Khan like a machine gun on the pads innit

 

Amir 'Machine Gun' Khan ''He punches so fast you dont even see them coming''

After Pacman vs Clottley i was calling Manny, Machine Gun Pacman, he threw over a 1000 punches in that fight.

 

KHAN BOSS IN TOWN FOR SKY SHOWDOWN
Richard Schaefer, boss of Amir Khan's American promoters Golden Boy, is in London for talks with Sky Sports chief Barney Francis over the fall-out that has led to the boxer no longer appearing on Sky Box Office.
However, any negotiations will not be helped by Khan attacking Sky on Twitter over their pay-per-view booking fiasco for the Haye-Klitschko fight and for bizarrely advising customers - including his fellow non-drinking Muslims - to watch the action in the pub instead.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...harp-exit-shames-Liverpool.html#ixzz1RHJb6pQ2

Hope this mess get sorted for his next fight... The big boys are in town, not Khan's management muppets!

 

He said that?

Clottey, Mayweather and Spinks were all taller than Judah and they beat him. And I think's he's only like half an inch taller than the others(Cotto, Baldomir, Tzysu). Bizarre thing for him to come out with, considering the fact that these were relatively high-profile fights, so it's not like it'd be hard to catch him out. Of course, Mabuza is a strictly come forward fighter, who's very limited, if he even attempted to use his physical advantages he'd have been torn apart ruthlessly.

You're right there, the Kaizer fight was misleading. It's reminiscent of Alexander-Urango for me, people can't seem to see past the spectacular finishes of those fights, and realise that both Zab and Devon weren't exactly dominant prior to the stoppages. Judah wasn't all that great, and looked pretty uncomfortable when faced with Mabuza's aggression and physical strength.

Mabuza is decent, but nothing all that special. The Holt win was flattering, that was more to do with Kendall coming off such a long layoff and looking both underprepared and a bit past it rather than Mabuza being a wrecking ball. Granted, he had improved in recent years, but Khan is absolutely streets ahead of Mabuza, no doubt in my mind about that.

I really think he should play it safe early. His jab against Paulie looked very impressive, which he hasn't really displayed since, but if he can implement it here as well as he did there it'll be a much safer journey for him. Zab's not your typical southpaw who an orthodox can't use his jab on effectively, he can be caught by it over his shoulder, mostly to try to land the uppercut but he won't be able to if Khan uses his range early.

I think he needs to take his time, not throw too many flurries, and try to wear Judah down with single jabs and one-two's and, as the fight progresses, if he slows Zab down, get a bit more aggressive down the stretch. Zab can be discouraged, and his worked gets ragged when he is, I'd expect Amir to take full advantage if that scenario transpires.

I hope it will. I plan on watching a lot more of Judah in the next few weeks, I want to get a better idea of how the fight will go down. But I am genuinely looking forward to this, and I haven't really been excited at the prospect of certain fights lately. When Khan fights someone who can exploit his weaknesses, you're always on the edge of your seat, well at least I am, this'll be another one of those bouts, for a certain period, at least.