Amir Khan's performance against Julio Diaz: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I've been watching Khan with interest for a while now. He slowly gained my respect as he climbed up the Jr Welterweight division and his style seemed to be developing nicely under Roach's tutelage. It's obvious that his flaws-tactical, technical, and emotional- eventually caught up to him and forced him to reevaluate his entire approach to boxing. The rebuilding process he's going through with Hunter is an intriguing experiment in what a trainer who can build a fighter like Andre Ward from the ground up can do with an already established but still young talent with a need for slight restructuring.

    I wrote some of the subtle changes I observed in Khan's game from the Molina fight here:

    http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?p=14417017#post14417017

    Now, against Diaz:

    The Good:

    -Khan continues to demonstrate effective lateral movement. For most of the fight, he was deliberately (but efficiently) turning in circles and making it a point to avoid backing away from the center of the ring. There was a giant circular logo in the middle of the ring and that's where Khan preferred to stay, stepping into his jab as he turned.

    -He's throwing a sharp right hand a bit more often. It's still underdeveloped, but it's coming out straight and quick and with intention every so often.

    -Khan's combinations were short but effective. He didn't throw in much volume, but his hook off the jab and 3-punch combinations were more accurate and thrown with balance, with less lunging going on.

    -Using the lead hand as a distraction and as a buffer between him as an opponent works great. It naturally gets in the way of the right hand and measures the distance.

    -He stands in a much more angled stance, with his head often dipping off-center after he throws, instead of being square on, which also helps with the next point.

    -Khan was much better slipping and rolling with punches. A big critique I've had of him was that he was always too straight up. Here we saw more side-to-side head movement, and a smart pull away from behind the arm/shoulder with the lead hand low. Against the ropes he was showing some new-found slickness. Not a ton, but enough to make note of.

    -He's making much wiser choices after getting hurt or dropped. He's not too ashamed to clinch, he's not throwing caution to the wind, he's not bouncing around throwing his hands up Pacquiao-style ready to exchange right away. In general, he's more patient, and Khan being able to "be boring" is a good thing.

    The Bad:

    -Khan reverted into his old habit of retreating without throwing. Virgil's philosophy seems to be to make anyone that dares get close to Khan pay before he restarts. Khan retreating without offering any return fire makes it much easier for the opponents to chase him down and cut the ring off. This is how he got hit so much against Peterson.

    -Although he as patient for most of the fight, the late rounds is where he still showed a stubborn willingness to trade when hit with a good one. It was because he obliged Diaz by standing there that Diaz was able to land that vicious 3 punch combination.

    -Khan would often throw well below shoulder level. Now this isn't uncommon for a taller fighter trying to reach a shorter man's head, but Khan has payed for this before against Maidana. Virgil's advice was spot on, telling him to punch at the target, but not from too high with his chin exposed.

    -I would have liked to see more body work from Khan. He had a nice straight right to the body going against Molina. We've seen him throw uppercuts and hooks to the body before. There is risk involved and Khan did move in to throw some left hooks to the body, but it would have been smarter to invest more consistently early on. Head hunting makes Khan more predictable and thus more hittable.

    The Ugly:

    -The ****ing hands, holy **** Khan, KEEP THEM UP. His right hand was a bit better when jabbing than in the past, I'll admit, but he drops them far too often. That right hand especially. Always always always dropping. You'd think he did drills dropping the right hand as if it were some sort of beneficial technique. The more the fight went on, the more Khan's combinations became sloppy. He needs to be mindful about this the entire fight.

    The most frustrating thing is that I don't remember it always being so damn obvious. He seemed more disciplined when worried about his opponent's speed. His guard and punching form seemed much more responsible against Paulie and Judah. That might just be because they weren't able to get any leverage capitalize on the holes in his game, but they were certainly capable veteran counter-punchers.



    In summation, Khan still needs work, but it's not over yet. The tactical improvements are there, but Khan needs to continue his technical improvements, and by that I mean tightening up his form. Tape that right glove to the chin and do drills all day like that. Do more of those mitt exercises in which Virgil throws shots in between Khan's for him to anticipate and block without dropping his hands. If he's willing, he can change. He's still a few years from 30, is slowly implementing Virgil's adjustments, and at his core is still the guy who dominated Paulie and Judah and Kotelnik and Maidana. I'm not sure he's ready for a world title shot like Schaefer has just recently put forth, but I think he'll be ready at some point.


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  2. bballchump11

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    I agree with everything you said. I don't remember you mentioning it, but I'm sure you noticed too that he doesn't pick his punches at all it seems. He'll fight more refined from the outside circling and then jump in with a pre-rehearsed combine or shoe shine that isn't really aiming at anything.

    It seems like the only punches he sits down on is his hook nowadays
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    He either got lucky as he benefited from perfect match-making during his peak,

    OR

    he has regressed more than any one-time top tier fighter has in recent times.

    It's amazing to see his lack of skills in his last 3-4 fights compared to his skill in the previous 7-ish before that. I was never high on Khan; always doubted him even during his peak but even I can say he used to showcase particular aspects of the sport which were eye catching. Not anymore.
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Yeah, after the Molina fight I noted that he doesn't discriminate between punches. It's either throwing a 4-punch right-left-right-left combo and then pulling out, or just not throwing. It's like he operates on the hands of a clock and can't see & split up the mili-seconds in between the ticks.

    However this is something I think he's been improving on a bit too. Part of cutting down his volume was increasing his accuracy. He finished up on that left hook pretty good and flush during his combos. It was real bad against McCloskey.

    I want this Khan back. The poise, the long-range calculation. Not perfect but less oblivious to return fire and more selective with the offense.

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  5. recycling

    recycling Active Member Full Member

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    Lol armchair experts. Can you list your credentials so I can take this **** seriously?
     
  6. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    He looked virtually the same to me as he always does. He does try to angle his body more, but it's completely second nature for him to not be squared and to slip shots from that position that he slipped right into Julio's left hook. That's why he basically went down. He was hurt worse when he didn't go down. It's almost he pre-moves like BBall said just n regards to his punch setups. I'm afraid his bad habits are too heavily ingrained at this point.

    I think if his movement looked better it would be the illusion of Diaz's poor job of cutting of the ring. When Diaz became more determined to push Khan back he had more success and pushed Khan on the ropes a few times. Unfortunately Khan is still very squared up when he's on the ropes. The thing is Khan definitely doesn't throw as many combinations and doesn't get quite as wild. He's sort of conscious of not trying to do too much and aware of trying to move. But he has all the same flaws. He's just reducing less of his previous self, and in weird way that allows for opponents to maybe have a chance to get off more since less risk is being returned. A painful irony.

    Khan punch-resistance also might be even worse than it was. Maybe he's too top-tall again, and thus doesn't take a punch quite as well. I do agree he's much wiser when hurt, but it can't help a lot if he can't seem to prevent it.
     
  7. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would add as a minus that he has a very stiff upper body movement, when cornered he can't duck any punches so he either gets hit either manages to block them partially but still gets hurt somehow. I think that he is past his physical prime already. The beating that Garcia gave him has a big affect IMAO. I was thinking sometimes that the ref stopped the Garcia fight a bit early but seeing Khan now it probably was for the better.
     
  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    3 years boxing and having watched a shitload of fights?

    He has the same technical flaws but is making tactically wiser choices. Except when he doesn't. He needs to know when to let his hands go and when to take a step back. In this fight he got tagged because he stood and traded once, and also got tagged because he retreated negatively without offering anything.

    That KD was definitely a flash knockdown, he was in such a weird position.

    I agree that the best thing to do is prevent the shots from landing on him in the first place. Playing emergency recoup every fight is not a sound way to approach a career.

    He's been very stiff overall. His upper body movement in this fight was a bit of an improvement in that area.
     
  9. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a bit perturbing. He's not the most likeable guy, but he's got elite level talent and I never like to see that go unfulfilled. I feel that the biggest problem isn't even his chin - it's his ability to focus and concentrate throughout a fight. If the guy could stick to a gameplan, his fights might not be quite as exciting but he would be able to beat guys like Diaz without taking so much punishment.
     
  10. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Agreed. I want that potential to be fulfilled, it would be a shame for him to just fizzle out and retire falling short of his goals. This was a good learning fight IMO. I like that his disposition after the fight was a bit disappointed. He needs to be a harsh self-critic and watch the tape and use that disappointment to fuel his improvements. A bit of home-town embarrassment can go a long way in the gym.
     
  11. 4Tey

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    realistically the shoe shines were better for him than sitting down and picking his punches.

    people keep forgetting he's not a thinking fighter he is basically a different variation of a brawler he simply cannot learn to fight smart he is what he is, trainers need to work what he's best at instead of trying to teach him things hes never going to be smart enough to learn.
     
  12. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You'd think people would log into a boxing forum to discuss boxing...
     
  13. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This version would have beaten Diaz by a wide margin (118-110)

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  14. eviltaker10

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    The Good the Bad lol, I only saw ugly unfortunately
     
  15. Boo

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    I've been trying to work out what I think about the fight.

    At first I thought the change of style had caused him to regress slightly. Being more cautious with his throwing seemed to take away his advantage of a constant bombardment of punches.

    People said his lack of power means he can't keep people at bay, I felt like the reduced combinations were inviting even more pressure. As a result I feel like he might have been getting tagged more than usual? May be that I am wrong.

    I'm wondering if Diaz is just not being given enough credit. He's come off a good result and he did genuinely seem to see this as a massive opportunity to get back to the top, rejuvenated or a man inspired he was on Khan for the whole fight. I think the quality of opposition he bought he higher than he is being credited for.