Amnat Ruenroeng vs. Zou Shiming RBR

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No don't give me a pass, I'm no fan of Shiming's and I'm not a fan at all of Ruenroeng's style. I am however a fan of every division in the sport being seen by the biggest audience possible and with Zou's success which annoyed me as well, because they were obviously shoving the minimally talented Shiming down everybody's throats in an effort to get Chinese money flowing through the sport, but that little bit of unbearableness was a small price to pay for something they may have paid dividends in the future, but just like with Rigo winning over Donaire HBO and casuals lose interest which is not good for the sports overall success.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think that it was a very good performance given the overwhelming tension in the ring. Holy **** that was tense for a spell. But he never mis-interpreted the ebb of the fight.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's great; but you don't see many fans calling for robberies and calling fighters horrible names for winning. Read the thread since you posted. Everyone is scratching their heads.

    Personally, I think "Chinese money" is worth nothing if what they are doing with it is buying decisions for their fighters. Call me old fashioned.
     
  4. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're right, but most of these people can't see it because they resent Shiming, Roach and/or Top Rank.
     
  5. MetalLicker

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    Zou is too amateurish and he can't get rid of the habits. There is no trainer that can make him better. His style works well in the amateur system, but awful for the pros.

    He doesn't commit to power shots, switch stances without reason and he just lack the fundamentals to use proper punching technique. At 33, it's too late to change him.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Exactly I'm a big picture type of guy and sometimes a lot of people get caught up in their little biases and don't seem to process what is good for us in the long run as fans. I was excited about HBO finally putting Flyweights on even though I didn't like that it was Zou but at least they were attempting to make baby steps in the right direction, but because of how reactionary HBO and casual fans are they will recoil from the whole division because of someone like Ruenroeng winning, which may not be fair but its the reality.
     
  7. McGrain

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    It's nothing to do with bias; it's not to do with your edgy political opinion, your supposed far-sightedness, the viciousness of your critics - it's about NOT arriving c0ck-a-hoop in the RBR thread and calling the winner a **** and a piece of **** and saying you wish he was robbed. That's a bad tempered drunken wife-beater of an attitude regardless of the incredible world view of your personal insights.

    Don't do it.
     
  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    This is not uncommon for me, I do this all of the time.:yep

    I don't have an edgy political opinion, my opinion is actually pro business and very mainstream in this case, which is uncommon for me.

    And yes there is a lot of anti-Zou hatred clouding many people's overall view of what's ultimately good for the sport.
     
  9. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    I am always glad when fighters who are shoved down our throats undeservedly get exposed.

    Donaire wants a rematch with Rigondeaux allegedly. Wonder if HBO will pick it up?
     
  10. McGrain

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    OK.

    Don't.
     
  11. Jake LaMotta

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    What is good for the sport is removing the corruptness from it, something which the decision Ruenroeng rightly got today is slowly progressing towards. Giving Shiming, a guy who gave a display as negative and sterile as you could ever find in a championship fight, the win would tarnish the good name that is being earned over at Macau. It almost seemed like Shiming felt a decision for him was guaranteed before the first round even started and couldn't be ****d actually fighting. Props to Ruenroeng, he was mesmerising at times.
     
  12. CST80

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    IB knows I do this on the RBR's, there is a degree of embellishment to my "rants" at least most of them. Don't take everything I do that seriously, but my general point still stands. Ruenroeng winning isn't great for the lower divisions which I am a big fan of.
     
  13. CST80

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    I'm sure you find Rigondeaux exciting too.:verysad
     
  14. Jake LaMotta

    Jake LaMotta Lights Out Full Member

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    I wouldn't say exciting, but his beautiful technique, punch choice and movement is incredible and I love watching him taking apart his opponents slowly and methodically. Anyone who doesn't enjoy fighters who embody the sweet science can get f*cked as they aren't fans of Boxing.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'm calling BS on this POV, guys.

    a) Rigondeax isn't bad for the super bantamweight division. Lara isn't bad for the light middleweight division. A guy like Ruenroeng with a somewhat box-y and not so brawl-y style beating a slop-bucket like Zou isn't hurting the chances of the low end of the divisional ladder gaining a foothold in the mainstream zeitgeist in the West. Probably nothing is. It wasn't like Midgest Wolgast, Pancho Guilledo, or Pone Kingpetch lived during eras when 112lbers by and large rivaled the heavies for putting asses in seats. The star flies of the past became that way in spite of the contemporary attitudes toward lighter weights (lukewarm at best even in the heyday of the sport itself on the whole), not because of it.

    b) Ruenroeng's style isn't even all that bad. Most of the clinching was because of Zou coming straight at him like a zombie (with nary a clue about cutting the ring off, jabbing his way in, anything), or more accurately like an insect haplessly crawling into a spider's web and getting stuck) leaving Ruenroeng with no choice but to move, which he tried first, counter with jabs or rights, which he tried second, or push/tie up which he did as last resort.

    c) Zou wouldn't have put fly on the map. If not today he would have been exposed long before he could become some kind of international crossover star the first time he was thrown in with anybody else close to world class. (and if more of a puncher than Ruenroeng, his comeuppance would be even more embarrassing than getting shut out as he did this morning, and for all the cultural stuffiness about 'saving face' in Asian culture you can bet there would be a trillion-dollar-evaporating collective sigh & faint performed by pretty much all of China if they watched their golden boy get KTFO cold)