Amsterdam and Zakman, be so kind as to rate the following chins.

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  1. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought for sure you'd rate Judah and Cooney no greater than shaky.
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Save for the Kostya stoppage, which was a legit Kostya bomb on the button, to where he was not unconcious and could have even recovered if he had played his cards right, where has Judah been KTFO?

    He's been hurt on occassion, but he shows good recovery skills the same.

    It took a heavy hitter in Cotto 11 rounds to grind him down, part of it was that Zab was a good protector, the other part is because his chin is underrated, it's 'functional', as in, not a serious deficiency, like his mentality. But it's not 'great', by any means.

    Cooney took a good ass whipping from Holmes, I'll judge that as a prime Cooney.
     
  3. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well.. you don't have to be KTFO to be shaky do you? And either way if the Tszyu KO wasn't a KTFO blow it was pretty damn close to it. Aside from that though, I'm glad to see your rating towards Vic Glasschinyan. :lol:
     
  4. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali's chin is better than Byrds for sure.
     
  5. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  6. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Quick Guide to Scale:

    Granite - never knocked off feet (i.e. McCall, Chuvalo)

    Grade A China - KTFO by light puncher (i.e. Fraudley)

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    With that in mind, here are the ratings for the guys you indicated, most of whom fall somwhere within these extremes.

    Chris Byrd - iron

    Zab Judah - glass

    Shannon Briggs - glass

    Ricky Hatton - average

    Vic Darchinyan - glass

    Vitali Klitschko - iron

    Prince Naseem Hamed - average

    Gerry Cooney - average

    Miguel Cotto - shaky
     
  7. Kegsy

    Kegsy Lights Out Full Member

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    Everyone says Vic Darchinyan has a glass chin but he has only been down once in his whole career to a monster of a shot by Nonito Donaire that he walked into.
    I dont think Darchinyan's chin is made of glass at all.
    Its his defense that lets him down.
     
  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Near complete agreement.

    Vitali's is the best of that bunch and I might have put Hamed a tad higher.
     
  9. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why glass for Briggs? Because he got knocked out by Darroll Wilson?
     
  10. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Yup. You could make a case for "shaky," but I'm a tough grader. Getting starched by a clubfighter - who had a glass jaw himself, btw - is pretty good indication a fighter doesn't take the greatest shot.:hey
     
  11. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's the only thing I don't like about your style of grading.. you get too black and white about certain things, but other than that I agree with pretty much every rating except I'd have Byrd a little lower than iron.
     
  12. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I'd say Byrd has a "Good" chin...not iron
     
  13. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree hes been down enough, and has been knocked out a couple times as well. Zackman- what would you give Sam Peters chin?
     
  14. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Zakman we had this discussion before in private message remember?
    You said Peter had a better chin than Vitali back then and i said Peter's was not tested as much.
    Now Peter has been down 3 times vs a guy you said was feather fisted ... Byrd has also been down plenty of times by now.

    They both are a clear step below Vitali.
     
  15. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I read on ESB a while back that Vitali was knocked down by two different sparring partners, and knocked out by one them, training for the Rahman fight. I know its just sparring, but it could have something to do with him backing out 1 of the 4 times in not fighting Rahman.