Amsterdam made a horrible bet and will soon be banished.

I think for myself, I just happen to agree strongly with his views on Guzman (beating Pacquiao, Diaz, Marquez) and Mijares (beating Donaire and Montiel). From what I've seen, I'd take Mijares over many great 115 pounders in boxing history - that includes Khaosai Galaxy, Gilberto Roman, and Jiro Watanabe. My track record is pretty decent and I always give a fair analysis. Please give me your analysis on Donaire/Mijares.

We've disagreed/disagree on MANY things (Tyson H2H #1, Toney ranking higher than Hopkins, Monzon dominating Hopkins, Cotto/Judah, Calzaghe/Dawson, Calzaghe/Hopkins prime for prime, Mayweather NOT ranking in the top 50, Haye/Peter, Pavlik/Abraham, he picked Mayweather to KO Hatton, I picked a UD, etc.)

 

You just simply don't know what you are talking about, there are no knowledgable boxing enthusiasts that have experience with Donaire and Mijares both that would call this a pick em.

Huki and me and Brooklyn agree a lot due to the game of picking and analysing fights. There is much subjectivity in the sport, but also a ton of common sense things when you watch enough boxing.

Mijares beating Donaire by the way that we laid out, is a common sense analysis.

 

Tyson H2H #1 - How can this not be though?:yep


Toney ranking higher than Hopkins - At the very least, Toney fought vastly superior competition to Roy Jones, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Mayweather and everybody else mentioned in the best 10 of the last decade or so. Toney's comp is up there with Whitaker's.

Hopkins competition looks pathetic next to Toney's, that's a definite fact.


Monzon dominating Hopkins - Probably would be more competitive than I'd like.

Cotto/Judah - A ***** that one.

Calzaghe/Dawson - I thought we agreed it'd be real close either way?

Calzaghe/Hopkins prime for prime - ^^^

Mayweather NOT ranking in the top 50 - JOY BOY IN THE TOP 50?:yep

Haye/Peter - Peter under 245 wins.

Pavlik/Abraham - This one would be a reckoning for many people.

he picked Mayweather to KO Hatton, I picked a UD - That one WAS a reckoning for many people, too bad they scattered about.

 

Both are great pure boxers. Donaire relies more on his athleticism. IMO, Donaire is a shade faster and better footwork but Mijares has better defense and combinations aswell as counters. Id have to pick Mijares UD here, probably 7-5. I wasnt that impressed with Mijares fight with Kawashima but he seemed pretty impressive against Navarro who had speed of his own.

 

Either, we'll be seeing more post from Chinahand Joe or PacDGreatest will suddenly join ESB.

 

As much as his chin concerns me, I'd take a fully focused Lennox Lewis over Tyson. But that's it. Larry Holmes and Sonny Liston are two other fighters I give a very decent chance to.

Toney's competition shits on Hopkins's competition.

It's close, but I give Hopkins the nod due to his greater logevity at the top, his greater consistency, and the fact that he never had a shady win. H2H, I think Hopkins beats him with his movement being the difference.

Of couse you can give Toney the edge because of his wins against McCallum, Nunn, Johnson, Barkley, Jirov, and Holyfield. Saying Toney isn't among the 100 best ever is absurd.

Yeah, Monzon beats him clearly. I don't think it would be wide though.

I can understand that pick: Judah's power and speed along with Cotto's perceived shaky set of whiskers.

Judah looked like a good pick 1 minute into round 1.

We did, yes.

But I think Dawson beats Calzaghe if it takes place late in 2008 or sometime in 2009. I have this feeling that it would be the passing of the torch.

I have him right at 50, as much as I dislike him. The fact that he solidified himself as at least a top 3 at 130 (probably number 1), stayed undefeated through 5 weight classes, and beat some solid B, B+ opposition does it for me (Castillo II, De La Hoya, Corrales, Hernandez, Judah, Hatton, etc).

I rate him higher than Ricardo Lopez (who ranks top 55 for me), because of the competition difference. Floyd's resume is more impressive.

Peter at 249 (second Toney fight)=KO win for Peter

But then again, I'm a Peter fan, so you can't attribute much credibility my way when I discuss his matchups. We won't have to worry about this one since Vitali will take him out in July or August.

Perhaps. Let's hope it happens for the sake of boxing and the MW division. We can agree that neither would have nearly the success at 168 that they have enjoyed at 160.

I should have put more into the Collazo fight.

Collazo had Hatton out on his feet, Mayweather hits harder, Mayweather is more accurate, Hatton's defense is nonexistent against a precise counterpuncher = Mayweather KO

:-(

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Another thing I see we disagree on: Cintron/Margarito II.

If Cintron could handle pressure, I'd give it to him. The Feleciano fight showed that he still isn't the strongest fighter mentally. Margarito anywhere from 8-12 is my pick (and that's unfortunate because I'd like to see Cintron as a title holder).

 

Lol Amsterdam picked Judah to KO Cotto?

 

:good

What's up Legend.

 

No I didn't.

And no, I'm not going to take a lifetime ban bet. I enjoy this forum and would honor the bet, so I wouldn't even take a 0.1% risk. Plus, I'm sure you would come back under a different alias because you're a troll who wouldn't honor ****.

 

I probably agree with Brooklyn more than anybody on this forum when it comes to picking/analyzing fights, but all three of us generally look at matchups in a similar way and like Amsterdam explained, when you watch a lot of boxing, most pre-fight analysis is just common sense. You make it seem like I never disagree with Amsterdam on anything. We both have personalities that seem cocky/arrogant sometimes and get pissed off when fighters get overrated or underrated, but I don't always agree with Amsterdam. For example, I'm slightly favoring Margarito against Cintron and Pavlik against Abraham. I admit that before Amsterdam started mentioning Guzman a lot I didn't follow or know a lot about him, but when I downloaded his fights and started researching him before the Soto fight, I instantly became a big fan and was shocked at how underrated he is and how boxing fans rarely talk about him. Now, after watching 10 of his fights an insane amount of times, Guzman is one of my favorite fighters and my rating of him is my personal opinion, based on watching him, not based on Amsterdam's rating of him which for some reason is criticized on this forum.

As for Mijares-Donaire, I made a thread about the fight a while ago and explained why I feel Mijares would not just beat him, but dominate him. Donaire is very overrated in almost every single area, including his talent/athletic ability, which is not on the level that people think it is. I also believe that he isn't very strong mentally and has a shaky chin, so he would get broken down and stopped if he fought Mijares.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43976

3% is a bit much actually, 2% sounds more correct. I figure the odds of Mijares coming into the fight extremely sick or getting injured (either cut or breaking something) during the fight are 1:50, so that's where the percentage comes from.

 

Big Big upset if Mijares wins... Mijares cannot rely on his biggest weapon (his jab) to beat Donaire whos got exceptional footwork and excellent angles. Donaire will beat Mijares to the punch...no doubt about it...his handspeed at 112-118 is Pacquiao fast only he throws both hands with power.. that left hook is the most versatile hook in the business...throwing it as lead and as counter without compromising position.. people seem to think he gets hit easily..wrong!

Many people here are ill informed of Donaire..Donaire was a young amateur phenom with a great amateur background. Hes no flash in the pan. He was in Vilorias level as an amatuer and as Viloria has fizzled, Donaire has thrived.

He has been under the watchful eye of Shaw for 7 years...and he knows exactly what he was doing putting him against Darchinyan...Pinoy superstar on the rise? what to do? put him against a popular limited fighter and Voila! ...another PAcquiao in the making..with better skills.

 

"Exceptional footwork"? The guy has balance issues and constantly gets out of position when throwing a punch or going backwards when being pressured. Also, where did you get this idea that Donaire has great power? A knockout over Vic?

 

Did you know that he was injured in that Maldonado fight thats why he couldnt move?? and he still pummelled him This guy has been knocking down older men in the ring at the age of 12 while your boy Mijares was just learning how to throw his punch..

since you guys love youtube for reference..heres the 1st clip I could find and voila!! the commentators are praising Nonitos footwork guys be independent thinkers do not follow people here on ESB just because they sounded smart

you know im a fair poster..I dont even ask how Mijares fared against Maldonado just a year and a half or so earlier...because yes hes 10 times improved in a year

 

Ive always liked you weathy elite...it seems like dejavu though:huh

 

If they fight there is no doubt I will be rooting for Donaire. I have no problem with Amsterdam, he forms his own opinions and backs them up with reason and just generally knows his boxing. The people who hang off his nuts and blindly follow whatever he says like hes Jim Jones just **** me off to no end. Joe Calzaghe, but even more so Cristian Mijares are both his "supernaturals" and are both overrated on this site.