Amsterdam - "Margarito is a B+ Fighter at best"

He has a punchers chance,
So stfu.

 

Margarito is the #1 Welter right now, he just beat the #1 Welter, nobody is going to deny this.

 

Plenty of people have been making threads on it and denying it unfortunately.

 

its stupidity at its best, to put fighters into certain categories.

this fighter i a+, the next b-.. this isnt grade school, i cant understand why people, get caught up in these terms..

the fact is, that techique-wise, cotto is light years ahead margo..

but when it comes to FIGHTING, ABSORBING PUNCHES AND WILL, he just couldnt match margo in the end..

so does this now reduce cotte to b+, or does this promot margo to a- minus, the answer to this should be. WHO GIVES A FLYING ****, THE BEST MAN WON, FAIR AND SQUARE.

ps: what is this, a pissing contest directed at amsterdam.. he was wrong, so what, if there is anyone in here, who gets 100% correct in pickeng the outcome of fights, then please raise your right hand.. and slap yourself ;-)

 

If Margo, by your own admission, is the number one welter in the world, and there are 25 odd "A level fighters," how is it that Margo is only "B+ level?" Who are the "20-25 fighters" better than him?

The very notion of "levels" of fighters is fallacious. Invariably, pressure fighters' skills are underappreciated. As someone said on this point on another thread, Hagler would be a B+ level fighter on most ESB posters "level" system.

 

This forum is flooded with idiots, just use common sense, cotto destroyed judah right, cotto beat mosley, now margarito clearly beat cotto, is it fair to say margo will also beat mosley and judah??? margo also beaten cintron twice,he also beaten clottey, also fight with wiliams was close, margo had williams in trouble in the last few rounds, just a slow start, margarito might be one "dimension" but damn that dimension is just too much for any skilled boxer. sure you'll outbox him for 5 6 rounds but what you going to do for the remainder of the fight???? a guy with margarito's attributes is a nightmare for any fighter, you'll will need more than skills to beat him.

 

Well for one, the #1 in the division doesn't always mean 'the best' in the division, it means who is the current champion, the man to beat.

Cotto is an overall better fighter than Margarito, even though he lost to Margarito. Forrest, a better fighter than mayorga, lost to Mayorga twice, but that doesn't mean Mayorga was an A level fighter like Forrest, he just had his number.

Technical pressure fighters are always appreciated. You have to be joking that Hagler would be considered a B+ fighter, the man had fantastic technical skills and was sharp as a razor, nothing even remotely sloppy about him.

Stop blowing **** out of proportion. The sad part is if Marg fights someone next like Williams and somehow got blown out, we'd be back at Sq. 1.

 

Actually 100% percent right, so many of ESBrs have been so ****ing sheeplike and cliqueish. Its like ****in High school and when they get exposed for the lack of knowledge, they start claiming theyre just ****in around. It is so damn predictable what they will post.

When a fighter has all the flash and dash, expect these posters to ride that fighters balls. No other characteristics are considered, not heart, not stamina, not will, not intangibles.

I mean on paper Margo had no chance in this fight, I mean the guy is a plodder, has very low accuracy..no defense...how could this be?

 

I don't know how you can contend that Cotto is "an overall better fighter" when, like many of Margo's opponents, he was systematically broken down by Margo's relentless pressure. It wasn't as if he just 'had his number' - that is the way Margo beats his opponents.

What you are saying about 'having one's number' (read: styles) proves the futility of "classing" fighters.

No, they're not. You only have to look at how Margo is perceived: one dimensional, plodding, wide looping punches etc. He does actually land punches to knock people out! Or Hatton, who has a sensational record, and, with the exception on Floyd, has been able to enforce his will onto his opponents. Granted, he hasn't looked pretty doing it, but it does take a great deal of skill to be a world class pressure fighter. But then you get guys like Spinks, a defensive non-puncher, who has lost a great deal more fights, but is considered a "better level" fighter. Generally, and particularly on these boards, flashier, quicker fighters get more love.


Also, if there are "20-25 A Level fighters," and Margo's not one of them, who are they?

Really think you'd struggle to come up with 25 better fighters than Margo- unless, of course, you're criterion is flashiness rather than overall ability as a fighter.

 

So you are saying that Cotto has always been a B level fighter and that Judah, Marg, And Shane are all around the same level? All had extrememly close fights with Cotto but Ultimately Cotto either pulled out a TKO or a contreversial win.

Get a grip dude. Cotto is an ELITE fighter. Marg just had the style and chin to break down Cotto. I said it from jump that Marg would KO cotto around the 10th or 11th and sure enough Cotto finally wilted under the constant pressure.

I tell you what.....Someone needs to check that Man's DNA. Cotto was rocking him for the entire fight with great counters but Marg continued to walk Cotto down and take it to his body. .....how about them uppercuts.:good

 

Cotto is an A+ level fighter. He's a tad too small for Antonio! Case closed!

 

Really Am? I actually gave you a great break down a couple of times of why and when Marg would KO Cotto. I told you that the size and natrual strenghth would be a factor....that Cotto would have to BOX the ENTIRE FIGHT, staying off the ropes and countering off angles to beat Marg.

Cotto did do very well but he decided to fight Marg on the ropes more than he should and Marg was unloading to the body a lot. He also implemented the Uppercut which I knew would be a major factor in this outcome.

The fact that Cotto's heart with a combination of Marg unrelenting style played a huge part of the outcome. Cotto should have BOXed the entire fight (if he was able too) and Marg had to be Marg which he was.

Regardless of if you thought Cotto faught the wrong fight or not, Cotto was outboxing Marg for the 1st half of the fight. But Marg knew Cotto would begin to tire and the body shots would begin to take effect down the line.

 

I dont' remember you giving me a breakdown or debating with me, but good call if that's the case.:good

 

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