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Get ready to see your guy stopped for the first time, totally destroyed. You Hopkins nuthuggers have become delusional.:yep

 

Remember Mayweather is fighting well above his natural weight. You put Mijares up a few divisions, and lets see how he performs against top class oppponents. Look what Cotto did to Quintana, what Dawson did to Adamek, what Calzaghe did to Lacy. That to me shows an elite level fighter, when they can destroy or totally shutout a top level fighter. Arguably you could say Mijares did that to Arce, although IMO, he is not on the same level, and was definitely a hype job. Mijares is still a developing fighter in some aspects. Looking at his tough fights with Maldonado (b level) and Kawashima (b level) would suggest this. But i don't personally think he has improved THAT much. I think you are guilty of grossely overestimating him at this point. Lets see him fight Montiel. Although i think he possesses a big style advantage, should he own a fighter of his calibre, then i will become more accepting. At this point, i think his dominance against Arce was due more so to his opponents lack of ability to adapt, then his brilliance.

 

PacDBest is 'God's' servant

he serves God by spreading "unbelievable", "miraculous" and "supernatural" things about him for the sake of ESB universe...

:yep

 

Your analysis p4p is ridiculous, because you are not taking into account the weight. Lower weight fighters will always be far better combination punchers, with higher outputs and punch resistance due to the weight. You wouldn't get a light heavy weight fighter competing like this, because it is simply impossible. The criteria you are using is totally fallacious. This is why you are over rating him. You need to look at how fighters compare to others within surrounding divisions. Dawson is vastly superior to Montiel on a p4p scale. I am suprised you can't see this.

 

Do you really think Lacy is much better than Arce? SAME level my friend and only supernaturals **** somebody up that bad over 12 rounds, both could be rated as solid B top fighters and that's an adequate assessment.

Yeah, Dawson was impressive against Adamek, but he also showed vulnerability all the same. I rate Dawson very highly, but to say he's on the same level as Mijares P4P is ludicris, he lacks the workrate, timing and jab and Mijares is even MORE skilled than Dawson is, just not nearly as cautious a boxer.

Mijares was definitely developing against Maldonado, but Maldonado was also a better fighter several years back than we've seen recently, such as the one Donaire starched. Against Kawashima, instead of fighting his fight, he fought Kawashima's fight on the inside due to machismo foolishness. WHEN he boxed Kawashima from the outside, he tooled him easily and the 2nd fight it was all him except for the rounds he fought inside, then he boxed beautifully in the 10th and landed a beautiful hook that put Kawashima on his ass, following up with a brutal flurry that stopped the bout.

You can find faults of course, I can find them in Dawson, he's not yet hit his prime.

On the Mayweather assessment, very valid, but he's not been the same type of incredible fighter that he was at 130 halfway into his 135 run, right now at 147 he's very declined and not what he was at all.

 

Calzaghe is going to get abused by an old man. :good

 

Dawson is superior to Montiel, but a 175 'P4P H2H converted version' of Montiel, that would even out the weight differences and transport his workrate, speed and such into a LHW mold, would in my opinion starch Chad Dawson because Montiel would be a god awful style for him.

We're working on getting this comparison scientifically valid.

 

He did not even make it to the top ten list of P4P?? How come you call him "god?"

Correct me if im wrong, have you legalize cults here?..:scaredas:

 

Lacy and Arce are same level fair point. IMO Calzaghe is far more proven then Mijares, which is why i consider him the better fighter however. The only guy out of the people i mentioned who isn't more proven is Dawson, whom ihave aboe for his ability to do those "special" things in the ring that 99.9% cannot. I guess that is subjective though. Regardless, i have Mijares skill wise as my number 5-6 p4p.... Time will tell whether or not i need to re-evaluate. I still don't see the Sweet Pea, RJJ level of Godlike ability however, which is my initial point. I think Dawson and Gamboa are the only current fighter who could "Potentially" get to this level, although both would need to be tested, and to have great opponents bring out the best in them. Calzaghes combination punchign is something i see as "special" for example.... What do you see in Mijares that mirrors this.. His timing perhaps?? Guys like Roy and Pea had multiple traits like this IMO, which puts them over guys like JC.

 

To me he just seems like Guzman with pop, so kinda like guzman at 122. I dont know about his chin yet. Now theres a fight id like to see at 130 in a years time, Guzman-Gamboa.

 

So Mijares is above Calzaghe & PBF p4p yet this same Mijares couldnt come up 3lbs to beat the king at that weight, Rafa Marquez? Meanwhile PBF has gone up 5 weight divisions to beat the best at 154(IMO Oscar was still the best, you could argue Spinks was though).

 

Gamboa is a GIT.

Not in the Australian sense of the word...whatever that is, exactly. A God In Training. :good