An 11 Armed Ali, 5 at 2X Length Vs. 9', 1.5 X Power Tyson.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Entaowed, May 14, 2022.


Mutants Ali & Tyson with bizarrely specific superpowers.

  1. How can Tyson possibly deal with such an extensive offensive & defensive arsenal? Ali by KO.

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  2. Ali absorbs a fearsome beating but lands far more shots, Ali UD.

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  3. Tyson's height helps & his power directly or indirectly eventually disables Ali's arms, KO.

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  4. Tyson adjusts to punching down but suffers most blows landed in first 1/2 : then SD on exhausted Ali

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  5. Draw.

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Actually the problem is you make several basic errors-including about what I know or what I claim.
    I am sure you will take no offense since you said worse about me & I am unoffended...

    1) Specifically the presumption that I do not have a basic scientific education.
    You have no idea what it is, & I said nothing to support your conclusion.
    2) I never contested nor indicated otherwise about your statement of strength's effect on a punch.
    3) Of course I know what force is.
    However as most will tell you on this website, other things are involved in the force of a punch.

    Do you believe that everyone is wrong that some folks (usually with large bones & hands) produce blows that are described as "heavy handed"?
    That others get more from the speed & shock of a blow?

    Do you doubt that some like oh say Sonny Liston & David Tua neither were very heavy for their time, nor moved their arms very fast-but were among the hardest punchers ever?
    Do you know that bone structure, specifically large & heavy, means less force is lost upon impact with a blow?
    That with the same mass & speed, you can deliver more power by having a more effective kinetic chain where you start from the legs, engage the core, torque generated from the hips etc...
    The same guy using more "arm punches" just does not produce the same force or effect.

    4) Of course if Tyson was so much heavier he will hit much harder.
    We are talking about non-obese mass, & he may lose somewhat more than 10% of his speed-that is very optimistic, nobody remotely that massive approaches the speed of an average man, we can discuss the reasons why...

    5) But you have missed, or avoided, my point entirely.
    I have repeatedly shown how a scaled up Tyson would not be anywhere remotely near your presumed mass.
    I have said why a few times, providing real life human examples of people at various sizes of 7', 7,5', almost exactly 9'...

    Anyway my example specifies that this Tyson would punch 1.5X harder than he normally would.
    Still enough to likely be the hardest hitter ever.
    But not so much that it would be instant mayhem as if it was 3X or so more, like your baseball bat analogy!
     
  2. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PLEASE try and understand, that the ONLY thing I have been addressing here in this thread, is the weight of a fantasy Tyson, scaled up/enlarged to 9'. I'm not talking about functional weight, or the 1.5x his normal punching power you ascribe to him. Nor am I talking about how much speed such a giant man would lose, or anything else that would be impacted by being this large. I'm talking SOLELY about what this fantasy person would weigh, if we enlarge/magnify the real Mike Tyson, until he reaches a height of 9'. Looking exactly the same, with the same bodily proportions - just a larger version of his original self.

    Would such a giant version of Tyson ever exist... no! But if he DID, he would weigh exactly what a couple of us have been trying to tell you. This is not an opinion, but a fact! Why you are fighting this, I don't know.
     
  3. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I know exactly what you are saying.
    I did not mention speed in the post you replied to, & merely said what is important for analyzing his capacities are what I attributed to him height & power.
    Why address it in an overheated way, or ask why I am "fighting" what you & one other person said?
    If I said you are "fighting" me it would imply similar bias, unfairly-we just disagree, hopefully politely.

    But I showed at length, repeatedly, why he would not weigh around 800 bs.
    If you want to differ-without acting incredulous or otherwise unsporting-please do not continue to ignore my points & examples.
    Including how people who are between 6 & 9 feet tall & not obese do not follow the law of squared/cubed. They are way lighter.
    I approached it another way & said weight charts give 4-5 lbs. per inch, but Tyson having ~ 1/3 more lean mass than an average man, I make it 6 lbs. the largest steroid monsters would be ~ 10 lbs. per inch, the fattest men can be much more....
    As is true of those pituitary giants who were close to 9' tall, even Robery Wadlow.
     
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  4. Bukkake

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    What other extremely tall people weigh is irrelevant. We're talking about someone, who doesn't exist - someone where we're toying with the idea, of scaling him up from around 5'10", 220 lbs (my example) to 9'. Such a fantasy person would weigh around 800 lbs - completely irrespective of what charts from the real life may say.
     
  5. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I looked it up again, and you're absolutely right! The average woman in the USA weighs in at about 170 pounds these days, NOT the 180 I thought I remembered seeing. Men come in around 200 pounds. I live in Maine. In my part of Maine, based purely on my personal observations, I'd say Mainer women may be a little lighter than the 170 average, but I have no data for that.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/body-measurements.htm

    Edit: Then again, those weights are from 4 years ago, so who knows today? When's supper?
     
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  6. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Thanks man! Maine is actually one of the "fattest" states, like Mississippi.
    There was talk that the pandemic made folks fatter, 1-2 lbs. a month, but it cannot be that much: that would mean an insane 27-54 extra lbs.! Homeostasis would ensure if folks got a little fatter-very possible-it would return closer to the mean.

    Dinner will be served shortly, since at your age you must like the Early Bird specials. ;-)
     
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  7. Entaowed

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    I do not think it works that way.
    Unless you can provide a reason why it would work differently than all human beings who ever existed-when bigger people are generally proportionate, & even those who are not-unusual pituitary giants like those with acromeglia, never approach such enormous lean body mass levels...

    The logical precept of Occam's razor dictates that the simplest explanation is likely to be correct.
    I am fine if you disagree, & am glad you seem to have reached that point too.