An aspect of Usyk's career nobody talks about

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    15 years ago he was 22.
     
  2. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Another deranged post from the baby reindeer stalker

    Fury low blows? Lol
     
  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, he has some sportsmanship.
    The sport is generally full of scumbags.
    So when somebody just does what you're supposed to do, it's considered strange.

    Some other 'ATG' mentions:
    Holyfield: headbutts
    Tyson: wrenching elbow joints, eating ears
     
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  4. pugilista

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    Not this again. The vast majority of fighters and coaches agree that it was a low blow, and body punches result in different physiological signs. To me, Dubois' reaction was the most telling. He didn't even argue, even though he supposedly just became the unified HW champion. He knew what he was doing was against the rules. There was a video where you could see Dubois throwing some 20 low blows. The narrative is that Usyk always complains about even legal body shots, while in reality, based on that video alone, Dubois was lucky he wasn't given any penalties or even DQ'd for repeated low blows. I've never seen any objective analysts or boxing fans saying Usyk fakes body shots. There is always a hidden agenda – a disgruntled Joshua or Fury fan, or a dislike for Ukrainians or what have you.
     
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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Watch the fight without Fury fanboys glasses, but you can't get them off, can't you?
     
  6. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Send video of the low blows
    Thank you

    I did see Fury hurting him to the body a few times, also rattled him with an uppercut

    I'm glad the rematch is set, as I enjoyed the fight

    The irony, why don't you take the glasses of hate off and watch the fight?

    Who is Joshua fighting next? Whyte?? Lol
     
  7. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Absolutely. It's normalized, expected and referees often just don't enforce the rules, fight concludes, end of.

    For instance, Lewis dispatched of Grant with mostly blatant, hard rabbit shots. Doesn't even try to hide it from the ref because he doesn't even warn him, fight's waved off, end of story, pretty much nobody mentions it again.

    Disgraceful.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    It's been discussed at length, over the years. Being a classy guy with a fun personality who also happens to possess elite footwork and educated hands while being a bona fide giantkiller are the aspects of him that grew such a loyal international fanbase (starting even before the pros).

    I don't trust Usyk haters; they fail the vibe check.
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    Fights clean but I don't like his reactions to body punches because he complains about them being low sometimes.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd say that's a very reasonable reaction for those us who have penises.
     
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  11. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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  12. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe, but it's not widely talked about at all, even in the boxing community, can't recall it mentioned even once, being a "medium intensity" follower of the sport.
     
  13. freelaw

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    Dude, make an effort and kindly read the thread before posting. You're like the fifth one to say it, others keep asking for examples for debate, and you all just shut up. Doesn't look legit at all.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Like I said, let the haters and detractors compare Usyk to their favs and hold them to the same standard they do him in their efforts to find some criticism or flaw in the way he conducts himself or goes about his business in the ring, no matter how inconsequential it is, to justify their hate to themselves and he's almost saintly. He really gives them so little ammunition to fire at him, either in or out of the ring, so they have to invent things out of thin air or cling to the minor quibbles.

    Whilst this is admittedly an extreme example, he's literally the complete antithesis of someone like the beloved Andre Ward both in and out of the ring and at the negotiating table and I mean in a good way.

    Filthy dirty deck-stacking have gloves won't travel or sign on the dotted line serial cheat Ward would never dare do once, and history confirms it resoundingly, what Usyk does religiously at the drop of a hat and obviously he was also incredibly dirty. However, look at the way he reacted who getting a little taste of his own medicine.

    ''I'm glad that I can win ugly sometimes (ROFL), because at the end of the day it's just about winning, right?

    ''I'm just saying, man, every cut I got is a headbutt or an elbow. Every single one.

    ''But that's why there's a third man in the ring (ROFL)''

    ''All these are either blatant headbutts or elbows, literally blatant. Not one of these was from a punch''

    "We expected this kind of fight with Bika," Ward said. "Every laceration I have was literally [from] a headbutt or an elbow. I clearly remember each one of them. That's what you get when you fight a guy like Sakio."

    ---Andre Ward after the Bika fight

    ''At the end of the day, boxing is already a tough enough business to not have to put up with illegal blows.

    ''I don't mind the occasional foul if it's an accident but the intentional stuff I just can't put up with it''

    --Andre Ward

    Like I said, Usyk is almost saintly when you compare him to literally almost any other fighter in history and when you hold them to the same standard the haters hold him to.

    We can start by holding Belly to that same standard if you like? That will end well :lol:
     
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  15. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    It’s laughable when, foul tactics are highlighted, some people invoke the old “It ain’t tennis, you know” OR “If you ain’t cheat’n’ you ain’t try”n’”.

    As if they’re happy to accept and have perpetuated, negative features of the sport, features that would likely deter new fans jumping on board.

    Usyk fights perfectly clean and I’ve noted same before, myself. As such, he has earned every right to expect to be treated exactly in kind - and that includes him highlighting fouls that refs let go.

    Fury clearly tried to set up so that Usyk might be viewed as a sook even in the event of Tyson’s punches straying, going on or below the belt -

    - and several of Fury’s punches did go there - without any action by the ref.

    Even the question of where Uysk’s trunks sit was a false set up.

    They sit perfectly. As such, hit Olek below the belt, then you have legitimately fouled him - no illusions.

    Also, there are no illusions that Usyk can take it to the body - do they still hurt? Of course. Usyk isn’t exactly Robinson Crusoe in that regard.

    Then look at where Dubois’ and Fury trunks sit - like, am I taking crazy pills? Lol.

    Fury hitched his trunks for a joke photo shortly following the Dubois fight - they weren’t far above where he normally wears them - self incrimination, much? Hit him an inch or two below the nipple, then you’ve “fouled” him.

    So yeah, Usyk definitely deserves considerable extra credit for keeping it pristinely clean - he doesn’t need fouls to crutch deficiencies in his game otherwise. His victories have been achieved in the most pure of manners.

    People should understand when they’ve finally got a supreme ambassador and advertisement for the sport - at every level and, at HW, no less. For certain others, those facts seem to be somewhat lost on them.

    As for the projected rematch in December, can we expect a pro Fury ref again (deliberately intended or not) and a few dodgy judges?

    For all the cleanliness in the fight - Usyk basically made it so. He mooted foul tactics/poor officiating by simply being so much better than Fury via pure boxing ability.

    Will the officials go even harder next to tip it in Fury’s favour? - enough to eradicate any positive reviews of the fight that has just gone down - only to give boxing yet another black eye?
     
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