An Early MMA fighter Could Defeat a Boxer

I respect you and your opinion, I'm just not sold on the overall talent level in MMA, like you are. Granted the UFC does a fantastic job hyping its fighters, but the reality of that hype is questionable and has been exposed a few times (WWE rastler becoming world heavyweight champ, a career boxer destroying the most dominant MMA fighter in history up to that point).

The money is in boxing, and as long as that's the case boxing will attract all the best fighters.

 

Brock was a phenomenal amateur wrestler. Phenomenal.

Career Boxer? Who, Conor? He beat a guy who was far from the most dominate fighter in history. That guy was Fedor. Besides, Conor was a great amateur himself, and Ireland is the Cuba of Europe for Boxing.

 

No he wasn't. This is just bullsh*t fed to you by Dana White and the Zuffa hype machine that you brainless UFC fanboys lap up without question.

 

Conor was a very good amateur, check it for yourself.

It's that clueless Boxing fans like yourself don't want an MMA'er attached to your sport.

 

He had a few novice bouts as a young kid and packed it in before he even became a Junior, which is 15 and 16 year olds. My cousin was at Crumlin Boxing Club with him. You don't have a clue what you are talking about, just blindly following the UFC hype.

A great amateur is someone like Rigondeaux, Golovkin or Lomachenko, not someone who fought as a 13 year-old novice and never even reached Junior level. There will be people posting on here with far better amateur boxing credentials.

 

Sure he was. Sure he was.

 

This is how the UFC hype works. Mcgregor had a few bouts as kid and this gets spun into to him being the Irish Lomachenko

His trainer at Crumlin's was a guy called Phil Sutcliffe, and a quick google search can confirm exactly what I said:

"He won a few novice titles and boxed on plenty of shows to learn his trade but before he became a Junior he found another love and packed it in"

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-secret-behind-conor-mcgregors-striking-skills/

 

This list is pathetic. Trying to dominate MMA would mean a person seriously cross-training and not just fighting once for a quick cash grab like Toney, Art Jimmerson and Ray Mercer. Eric Esch lol. Melton Bowen and Jeremy Williams never trained ground fighting a day in their life.

Most of those fighters are from a time when MMA didn't even have this name. Milo Savage fought a freakshow match against a judoka in the 60s yet he was trying to "dominate MMA". What MMA exactly?

 

UFC is a joke, it's not a sport it's entertainment like WWE that's why you can jump from some other sport like wrestling or BJJ and win a belt in few years. Talent pool of MMA is absolutely pathetic with 90% of fighters being from USA or Brazil and even those fighters are some scrubs who didn't go into one of the more popular sports in those countries. I wonder how anyone with even minimal dignity could go to fight barefoot in a cage like an animal and then dry hump some other man, both wearing Reebok cycling shorts. And these fighters do it for 10k a fight. They get brain damage and staph infections for less than a postman makes in a year.

Boxing is the only serious professional combat sport.

 

That's my point.

He apparently had a black belt in judo, and he's clearly grappling competently from his back during his MMA fights.

Yes, fighters who are experts in other combat sports can cross over into MMA and do well. Just like a top boxer could.

How does the large number of elite competitors from other disciplines make MMA less legitimate?

 

That's fair, and likewise on the respect.

I guess my question would be: What kind of evidence would convince you that the talent level in MMA is pretty deep?

I agree there's much more money in boxing.

But boxing will only attract all of the best fighters if every combat sport is drawing from the same talent pool. I don't think that they are. Even if we leave aside stuff like karate and kickboxing, the grappling sports aren't directly competing with boxing for the same people.

The competitors who are good at grappling aren't necessarily good at boxing, and vice versa. Plus, some may just like another sport more than boxing at a young enough age that it sets their career trajectory. An athlete might just happen to only ever pursue a non-boxing sport for all sorts of reasons.

 

This argument is really about whether an approach of knowing a bit about every aspect of fighting is better than being really good at only one aspect, in this case, boxing.

History has proved that the well rounded fighter > the specialist fighter as a general rule of thumb.

 

No it isn't.

Floyd, the biggest star EVER in Boxing is a blatant character built around something that the WWE would create (a bad guy).

 

You said that journeymen boxers were trying to "dominate" "MMA" which is hard from the truth. Those guys came to MMA for quick cash grabs or had some freakshow fights when MMA was still style vs style show and didn't even have a proper name.

Because a person who spent his prime in some sport can't go to another serious sport and dominate it. A basketball player can't go to football and compete with the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez or Zidane, a wrestler can't go to boxing and fight for titles and a swimmer can't sprint on the olympics.

Besides, those competitors are far from elite. BJJ is a hobby-sport, it has a shallow talent pool. Wrestlers who go to MMA mostly aren't olympic medalists and those who are tend to enter MMA past their prime.

MMA is not a real sport, it's not an olympic sport, it's too chaotic and there are way too many ways for a fluke win. Especially UFC rules are boring and re****ed, the cage is also not a venue for sport but for cheap primitive entertainment.

UFC has a shallow talent pool but hypes those scrubs who compete in it with the help of the huge money it created (which doesn't go back to the 'sport' hence there's no real development). They hype fighters based on looks FFS.

 

So what? You have such elements in every sport, but in the UFC 90% of everything revolves around it.

Mayweather is still a legit talented fighter who achieved a lot before he got to big money fights. Guys like McGregor beat few bouncers, taxi drivers and soccer hooligans, went to UFC with something like 10-2 record and were then protected and gifted title shots just because of their WWE-like personality.