An Edwin Valero documentary (video)

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by TFFP, Jul 10, 2011.


  1. Del Boy

    Del Boy R.I.P Darren Sutherland Full Member

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    Because people around here seem to forget what he did. Its ****ing shameful that some people here totally ignore the horrors he committed just cause he could punch. If the guys record was (27 wins O KO's) what would you think of him then would that make you realise what hes done.?
     
  2. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Everyone realises what he did. But guess what, this is about Edwin Valero the boxer, not Edwin Valero the man. And when you're looking back over someone's boxing career, what kind of person they were isn't relevant. If his record was one with 0 KO victories, I'd still judge him as a fighter when looking over what he did in boxing.

    But you take your moral highground and don't watch him, because you're missing out on a fascinating fighter.
     
  3. Del Boy

    Del Boy R.I.P Darren Sutherland Full Member

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    Ok look maybe i'm being a bit harsh and i don't want to argue with you because you seem like a big fan of a game we both love and your a fellow paddy, so ill put it this way I have seen as many of Valeros fights as are available to me and he was a truely unbelievable fighter his power, ferocity and record may never be match. However because of what else he did i don't think i can watch him again. The memories of watching his fights will always be better then the other things i know about him.
     
  4. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Del Boy, its really not that difficult to separate the boxing from that. It doesn't remotely mean we sympathize with Valero or think him any less of a **** than he was. He had some severe mental issues, that much is abundantly clear. But as I said, I really didn't want this thread to be about that as much as it was inevitable it would come up.
     
  5. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah after that cut, which was horrendous, you saw Valero making tactical changes in the fight and eventually decided on beating DeMarco down rather than trying to knock him out.
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    DeMarco was impressive in that he came through some adversity and never once did he take a backward step. Valero had bull like strength and heart to back everything else up. He gave DeMarco a slaughtering until he was pulled out.

    DeMarco is pretty good too. Tall, southpaw, knocked out Adajho who nobody else has stopped including Joel Julio.
     
  7. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Didnt look too good in his last fight though.
     
  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Ruined I expect :D
     
  9. One Bomb

    One Bomb mantis style Full Member

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    Great footage, it's insane seeing him manhandle world class fighters in sparring. We all know the guy was complete scum but as a fighter he looked destined for the very top.

    The scary thing was that he was getting better with each fight and clearly had much more to his game than being a brawler who could bang. That DeMarco fight seemed like a turning point in his career where he was starting to look more mature and adopt a more methodical approach in the ring... then it all went tits up.

    I think he'd just vacated his belt and stated his intentions to move up to light welter when the whole 'incident' happened and what an addition he'd have been.

    Such a shame... innocent wife killed, kids orphaned and a rare-as-**** talent wasted.
     
  10. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Have to say, I'm a little suprised to see your a fan TFFP.

    I could never understand the folks who called Valero a bum. The amount of telling shots he would consistently land was impressive for such a small guy. Him fighting JMM was always the one I picked for fights I wanted to see.

    I’m not sure if his fearsome power carried up though. He sparked out Pitula but you have to think he was drained considering he then started campaigning up at 147 lbs. You could make the argument that his lifestyle was beginning to have an effect on his performances too though.

    I thought he handled the well rounded DeMarco very well. In a perfect world, he would not have gone off the deep end and we would have seen him some terrific match ups. I know he was all set to move to 140lbs but that may have been a bridge too far for him at the elite level.
    Sadly, we'll never know...
     
  11. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    To be fair though, Adjaho pulled a dodgy one in that fight. I didn't think he was knocked out, I feel he just wanted to get Demarco DQ'd and it backfired. That one was very competitive until the incident aswell.

    Still a good scalp for Demarco though.
     
  12. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Agreed. Adjaho was shameless in that fight.
     
  13. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Why surprised?

    It didn't even matter if his power carried up. He would still have been a tremendous fighter regardless of whether it became accumulation power because he was so much more than that. Finding a way to beat this guy would have been very, very difficult. Whats the blueprint to beat some of the stuff he's showing there against full fledged welterweights and top fighters? If you try and outbox him he catches up with you as he's far too relentless and unless you hurt him you're going to get harried constantly. Not to mention outboxing him is easier said than done, he can slip your shots and counter you and he's one of those guys that if you back off he comes more dangerous, like Cotto. If you try and trade, well...you're coming off second best most of the time because of his handspeed, power and will.

    Some like FleaMan would argue his power wasn't true one punch power anyway. For the record I do think it would have carried up well because power carries up better when you have an explosive dynamic fighter. Thats when you can start to catch bigger men with shots they don't see and the speed begins to kill them. This is why Pacquiao's power is carrying up freakishly. Heavy handed power doesn't translate as well.
     
  14. bam bam

    bam bam Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you not post in any threads about the ****** Mike Tyson either?
     
  15. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Or the murderer Carlos Monzon?