An Era Where Holmes DOESN'T Get To 48 -0?

What could you possibly base such a claim upon?

 

My appraisal of the talent, skills, and fighting styles of that still-transitional era. With his jab and footwork, I think Holmes would be pretty much unstoppable.

 

Very good and fair points. I still disagree with you but not as strongly as I did before that response. Fair play to you, sir.

I think the grappling would have been okay for him. Wasn't Larry a good wrestler as a young man? The racism? Larry had a thick skin. I think he would have told any racists to 'kiss his big, black behind' to paraphrase, er, Larry Holmes!!

But I can't counter the points about the gloves and distance. As I say, it was almost a different sport and I don't think it's fair to compare fighters from such different eras.

 

Uh, no. No way in hell, in fact. I think a 90's version of Holmes beats both.

 

Yeah the one just before his haha! The gypsy king Tyson Fury would also be too big and too awkward for him too!

 

After 48 fights in a year with his jabbing, punching technique and workrate, his hands would be a complete mess. He wouldn't have done that and you know it.

 

Even if they were as bad as you say they are, that schedule would still be completely unrealistic!

 

Prime Frazier and maybe prime Ali. That's it. Holmes beats everybody else IMO

 

Most of them lol

 

Not to mention the fact he'd have 3" of height, half a foot of reach and 20-45lbs weight advantages

 

40s Joe Louis TKOs Larry in 12.

60s Ali wins a split decision in what would have been one of the most interesting fights tactically in history.

Earlier part of the 70s. FOTC Frazier would have split decisioned him.

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90s Holyfield would have been a very tough and great fight, but I can't see 1980 Larry losing. The uppercut would have rocked Holyfield btw. I think also that Bowe would have had a good chance (Holy Bowe that is). But Larry outpoints him.

I can't call the Steward-era Lewis against Larry...I hate to say Larry would flat out beat him because that version of LL was pretty f-in' amazing. But I think once Larry started landing the overhand right (which in Larry's case worked really well/landed against taller guys) Lewis would end up staggering and stopped in 11.

 

Well first of all Holmes was a atg and would dominate in any era, but I could definitely see him losing to several fighters, if he fought the entire Ali opposition I'd expect Norton to beat him again and Frazier to beat him worse than Norton. The 90s era would be the most difficult for him getting beat by Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, and have some back and forth win some lose some wars with holyfield.

 

You guys realizing that the question is not comparable, if Holmes, or whatever ATG, suddenly has to face another ATG in an era, where the run came without two ATGs meeting?

Its like asking: How would Louis do in Holmes era (meeting of Holmes), fighting Holmes + the era. At least doesn´t make sense to me.

So where does Holmes go 48-0, exchanging Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Patterson/Liston, Ali, Tyson, Lewis, Wladimir?

Dempsey: Goes 48-0, no one beating him.

Louis: Goes 48-0 without loosing to CW Schmeling!

Marciano: Lol, who´s beating him? Old Walcott, little Charles or Moore? Everyone besides Walcott and Charles is toast.

Liston: He´d face a younger quicker version of himself beeing 34, looses to Clay.

Ali: Assuming he´s 29 meeting Liston, beating him, this might get close with Frazier. Otherwise way to young for Liston. If he comes after Liston without layoff, he beats Frazier and Foreman imho and could very well go 48-0.

Tyson: Goes 48 if he doesn´t lose to motivated Douglas, Holyfield, Bowe, or young Lewis. Very unlikely. I´d say he doesn´t make it starting in 85, but starting in 78 (5 years after his original debut), he´ll make 48.

Lewis: Starting in 88, means past prime Holyfield and near prime Bowe, this is very close, I´d say the field is too tough, meating Tua and other fellows late.

Wladimir: Without Vitali (Wlads therms), I don´t see him loosing to anybody. But he´d face alot bigger man himself. Not sure about that. Meeting Vitali, chances are high he doesn´t make it.

 

It all depends how he's matched, he could do it in any era if he's matched soft and well, and if he was thrown to the wolves he would pick up losses in any era post 1880.

 

Stylistically Walcott has a better chance than Marciano, Rocky would eat so many Jabs against Larry he'd gain 20 pounds