An honest assessment of Wlad vs. the ATGs results in conclusions we don't like.

wrong brother but here is something to think about anyway ! the out of shape SANDERS did much better against ROCK then the out of shape LL !:hey

 

Sanders weighed the same against Rahman as he did against Wlad. Nice try 2hit4brains.

 

I think opinions among the conservative old time boxing fans are changing their minds a bit about Wlad. Remember, it took Lennox Lewis many years to get the respect he deserved.

 

Wlad hasn't really beaten any fighter in his comeback he wouldn't have beaten when he hammered Byrd the first time, with the possible exception of Peter, but that's debatable, perhaps the younger Wlad could've knocked him out.

Like somebody already alluded to, he has his strengths and weaknesses, he'll match up well with some fighters, poorly with others, his current reign is more a commentary on the current state of heavyweight boxing than anything.

 

Lewis (around 1997) vs Wlad of today would have been a titanic fight. Everybody is ensured of a KO ending.

 

Holmes would have boxed the **** out of vlad and tko'd him by the 11th round.

 

nobody would outbox wlad, hasn't happened yet, probably never will. holmes has one of the best jabs in history but so does wlad, but holmes is 3-4 inches shorter and wlad has much more power. to those boxing romantics who think frazier and liston (!) would stand a chance: both were 6'0 and around 212, they were powerful hws then - now they would be quite smallish with average power. wlad would probably steamroll frazier like foreman did. i definitely give him a chance against mid 70's ali, foreman (remember he lost to jimmy young?). tyson, lewis, holyfield would be much tougher, i'd favor those three guys against him, but wlad isn't chanceless.

 

Strongly disagree, Lewis would win this fight quite easily in the clinches, too strong for Wlad to tie up completely, and whilst Wlad has no inside game, Lewis is a solid defensive infighter. This is the sort of thing I'm talking about when referring to Wlads' weaknesses, the current quality of the division lets people overlook these flaws.

 

Size only matters so much, a guy 180 could hit harder than a guy 350, its called being able to put your body and speed into punches. If being big made you automatically hit harder wouldnt Valuev be able to hit harder than say David Tua or even Micheal moorer? Marciano would still be considered a big puncher even in todays standards at 5'10 185 or Liston at 6'0 210. I think many posters have never been in the ring before and think just because someones bigger means he could punch harder, which is totally false.

 

You are a man of wisdom. I agree with you on this stuff.

 

valuev doesn't punch as hard because he is too slow and doesn't put all of his weight behind his punches. brewster, peter, tua, wlad, vitali, mccline, virchis all probably punch harder than liston or frazier. if you have one guy with 185 and another one with 245 with a similar good technique the latter surely punches harder.

 

I think guys like Shavers and Liston would be heavy hitters today, weight only helps you very little after 180-190 pounds. Till this day many believe the hardest punch every thrown was by Marciano, who is 5'10 185.

I remember Tyson saying that Julian Jackson hits harder than most heavyweights he faced, at the time Jackson was fighting at 154 at the most 160. This was during the late 80s when Tyson was fighting for HBO, that he made the comment.

 

yes, mccline has some decent power if he really pulls it out of the hat. he knocked down some people that haven't been down before so there's got to be something there. to those who believe that julian jackson punches as hard as let's say tua or wlad: that was just trash talk from tyson, if heavy punchers like tua or wlad would fight a superwelter they would break their opponents arms, ribs and leave them with a permanent brain damage. it's simple physics: what does more damage - getting hit by a vw golf or by a hummer?

 

Ali would knock Vlad back to eastern Europe! Br real here. Ali would have Vlad chasing and counter him with speed that would make Vlad's head spin. Please stop sucking Vlad's privates.

 

:rofl My point exactly, and Lewis went on to be ranked in any serious top ten all time HW list.

No all time great would lose to McCall either....................:yep

Head to head Lewis or Wlad are a serious challenge to any HW in history.