An open letter to each and every person who calls Cotto a 'quitter'

Rico Spadafora · Jul 28, 2008

PACFAN84 said:

My hero, and one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters in history, Roberto Duran, QUIT against Sugar Ray Leonard.

Oliver McCall, for whatever reason, QUIT against Lennox Lewis.

Erik Morales did NOT quit in his 3rd fight with Manny Pacquiao.

And Miguel Cotto did NOT quit against Antonio Margarito.

This should not be a difficult distinction for anyone with half a brain to recognize.

If you are not suffering extreme physical pain and fatigue, and turn away from your opponent at any point for any reason, you have quit the act of fighting.

If you are suffering EXTREME physical pain and fatigue after expending a HUGE amount of energy by fighting a naturally bigger, stronger opponent and taking MANY MANY POWERFUL punches, and believe it is necessary to take a voluntary count to give yourself some time to recover so you can stay in the fight, this is clever NOT cowardly. I don't know why fighters don't do it more. If I was a boxer and felt I was teetering on the brink of being floored as I was taking heavy punishment, I'd hit the knee right away to give myself a better chance of winning the fight. Hanging on to avoid a KD is just plain stupid when you can interrupt the momentum and avoid taking punches that will effect your ability to continue by simply taking a knee. In the future, I bet this is a common tactic employed by smart fighters who do not give a **** about the opinion of moronic fans and just want to win at all costs even if it means taking a knee. And, in the case of Morales, if you stay down because you know in your heart you cannot win, that rising only to risk serious damage to your health is the only option left, then there is honour in being man enough to let it go, and not being so reckless with your own life to take punches to the head for the "fans".

Miguel Cotto had taken severe punishment and could not clear his head. He had absolutely nothing left in the tank and the time and knew, he KNEW, if he stayed up he would be KO'd. He did the right thing 100%. And then his corner pulled him out

(***it is worth noting here that in retrospect, Evangelista Cotto also made 1000% the CORRECT decision- that is FACT. Going into the 11th, 2 judges had it 96-94 for Margarito and one had it 95-95. EVEN IF Cotto had managed to hang on til the end of that round without going down again- which even a blind man (though not some posters on here) could see was impossible as Cotto was spent and Margo was ready for the KO blow- then the round had to be a 10-7, which means the cards would have been 106-101 twice and 105-102- WITH ONE ROUND TO GO. The fight WAS CONCLUSIVELY ALREADY LOST at the point Evangelista Cotto stopped it, as there is no way on this planet Margarito could have been stopped in the final 3 minutes by an exhausted Cotto (I don't think anyone south of cruiserweight could stop Margarito either to be honest!). Evangelista Cotto saved his man from further punishment that he had no need to take. He may have saved his career too.***)

A final word on this goes to the guy who started the 'Cotto quitter' thread and all like-minded sickos on here:

If you want to see men adhering to some pathetic, inhuman law of the machismo, where you will willingly allow yourself to be brutally knocked out, where you will force the other man to punch you to a bloody standstill, where you believe there is honour in being carried out on a stretcher and taken to the critical wing of the hospital, where it is a brave and wonderful manly thing to risk the kind of injury Oscar Diaz suffered weeks ago and many many more have suffered in the past just to be a 'warrior' or not a 'quitter' in the eyes of the "fans" (?!?!?!?!?!) then please, PLEASE, for all of us true boxing fans:

**** OFF to the UFC and leave the noble art for noble men. Satisfy your despicable blood-lust and medieval notions of manhood by screaming with joy as one guy gets his skull elbowed into the floor til the blood drowns him.

You are the vile breed that puts boxing in danger of being prohibited by completely disregarding the safety of competitors. The fighter in his own head KNOWS how much pain he is in and KNOWS if he can continue or not, you, sitting in your ****ing armchair massaging your ***** every time someone gets cut or hurt, know NOTHING about who should continue or who has 'quit'.

You are the vile breed who calls Miguel Cotto a 'quitter' for not wishing to make the futile, empty, pointless gesture of being punched into oblivion when he had already lost (both technically on points but, more importantly, in reality as he had given everything in a mighty effort and had nothing, absolutely nothing, left) in front of his CHILDREN who were crying at ringside.

I am ashamed to love the same sport as people like you.

Miguel Cotto, you gave us real fans an unforgettable fight, you fought like a man, you gave everything, you lost to the better man on the night. There can be no shame in that. Salute.
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The bottom line is he flat out quit in the fight. He took a knee with Margarito rushing in to finish him with no punch thrown or landed.

Boxing is a brutal sport maybe you should follow ice skating or tennis.

sthomas · Jul 28, 2008

booradley said:

Good post my man.

When you listed people who have quit in fights you left one important one out. Arguably the greatest warrior of all time, Alexis Arguello, stayed on the canvass and took the count in the rematch with Pryor. Who in there right ****ing mind ever talked trash about Arguello?

I've noticed that if a fighter takes a knee and comes back to win, it's a great veteran move. If he takes a knee and loses, he's *****atsch

I've also noticed that after every big fight we get a bunch of 15 year old bitches on here talking trash. These are mostly punks who know next to nothing about the greatest sport in the world, and would get sparked in 1 round by Grady Brewer.
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Agree 100% Boo, these are the kind of losers who laugh @ fatal car wrecks. For the record, C. Zelanoff could probably kick my ass but I'm a bit past my prime.

David_TheMan · Jul 28, 2008

dan-b said:

At least you're honest but I think too many people on this site are showing traits that they are probably watching the sport for the wrong reasons. So because you finished the race do you think you have greater will than Cotto?
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I don't know about the will of Cotto yet, I'll have to see how he rebounds. I don't think our wills are comparable though, since we aren't going through the same thing. I would say I think he has less will than Paul williams and Clottey though.

DINAMITA · Jul 28, 2008

Fab2333 said:

lol ah man, Every1 here are some of thee biggest nuthuggers I have ever seen. Fact Cotto fought a smart fight, fought like a true champion, he used a very smart gameplan to bring him what he thought couldve been a win. BUT HE DID QUIT, not physically, but MENTALLY. From he got hurt the 1st time, the momentum in the fight changed and if you were watching the fight even Manny said it, COtto is in survival mode. He wished the fight could b over. He got hurt one time and after the pressure kept coming he packed it in. He didnt want to keep going, he wished the fight could b over. His corner was smart 4 throwing in the towel. BUT after gettin hurt he gave in mentally, and that is a fact
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I honestly never knew there were so many mind-readers in here. Please teach me how you knew for a fact that Cotto getting up from the 2nd knee instead of staying down meant that he was wishing for the fight to end. Do you not think that there is a chance he went down because his nose was broke, he was finding it hard to breath and hard to see, and he had no energy left at all? I think it could have been either reason, but I don't know for sure as I am not Miguel Cotto.

What I do know is he didn't quit, his corner pulled him out.

And I am not a big Cotto fan, I am just a boxing fan with a strong opinion on this matter.

DINAMITA · Jul 28, 2008

Asterion said:

Technically, he didn't quit.

He just had the behaviour of a quitter. After a great fight, a not so great finale for him.
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So he didn't quit then? Make up your mind and stick to it.

Please explain once and for all: if someone did not quit, how did he show the behaviour of a quitter?

Surely behaving like a quitter involves one thing and one thing only: quitting?

brown_bomber · Jul 28, 2008

cotto is a warrior not a quitter

sthomas · Jul 28, 2008

Gavin said:

:good :good :good Good post!

Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Robinson, Kostya Tszyu and Vitali Klitschko are other examples.
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I was so pissed @ these boneheads I didn't even think of these guys. If Cotto's such a quitter wtf didn't he just pack it in in round 7 or 9?

Ali biggest quitter ever? What a bunch of A-holes.

dan-b · Jul 28, 2008

Dave_TheGreat said:

I don't know about the will of Cotto yet, I'll have to see how he rebounds. I don't think our wills are comparable though, since we aren't going through the same thing. I would say I think he has less will than Paul williams and Clottey though.
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I think you're being over analytical here. Boxing is pretty much a unique phenomenon, I don't think any of us can imagine what he felt like when the fight was stopped. Notice also how he didn't quit but his corner actually pulled him out.

DINAMITA · Jul 28, 2008

Rico Spadafora said:

The bottom line is he flat out quit in the fight. He took a knee with Margarito rushing in to finish him with no punch thrown or landed.

Boxing is a brutal sport maybe you should follow ice skating or tennis.
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But the iron-clad stone-cold absolute crystalline FACT is that he simply didn't quit. No matter what you say, he didn't quit. You disagree? Fair enough, he didn't quit though. No no no, he still didn't quit. "Yeah but..." No but. He didn't quit.

Definitions of quit on the Web:[SIZE=-1]

discontinue: put an end to a state or an activity[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Miguel Cotto took a knee to recover. He got up. His uncle jumped up on the ring apron. The referee saw him, and waved off the fight.

Did Miguel Cotto 'put an end to a state or an activity'? Did he make the decision to end the fight? Did he flagrantly break the rules of boxing, like turning away from your opponent, that he knows would mean the ref had to end the contest, thereby putting an end to the fight?

The FACT is: No. No. And no.

You can reply and argue all you like- facts are facts.
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jecxbox · Jul 28, 2008

Who ever says that Cotto quit, has probably never had a drop of their own blood run across their face from fighting another person. And because of that they have no god damn right to voice their opinion on this matter. PLAIN AND SIMPLE, You're a god damn ***** if you claim Cotto was a quitter. A ****less ***** that has their head very far up their homosexual loose ass.:twisted:

David_TheMan · Jul 28, 2008

dan-b said:

I think you're being over analytical here. Boxing is pretty much a unique phenomenon, I don't think any of us can imagine what he felt like when the fight was stopped. Notice also how he didn't quit but his corner actually pulled him out.
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I disagree here. I think he signaled to the corner with the 2nd knee that he was ready to go, that is why he looked towards it when he went down again.

dan-b · Jul 28, 2008

Dave_TheGreat said:

I disagree here. I think he signaled to the corner with the 2nd knee that he was ready to go, that is why he looked towards it when he went down again.
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Why did he not just stay down for ten then? I can't believe we're even discussing this less than two days after witnessing such a great fight. If people can't appreciate that without denigrating either fighter then we deserve all the WBO mandatories we get.

Rico Spadafora · Jul 28, 2008

PACFAN84 said:

But the iron-clad stone-cold absolute crystalline FACT is that he simply didn't quit. No matter what you say, he didn't quit. You disagree? Fair enough, he didn't quit though. No no no, he still didn't quit. "Yeah but..." No but. He didn't quit.

Definitions of quit on the Web:[SIZE=-1]

discontinue: put an end to a state or an activity

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Miguel Cotto took a knee to recover. He got up. His uncle jumped up on the ring apron. The referee saw him, and waved off the fight.

Did Miguel Cotto 'put an end to a state or an activity'? Did he make the decision to end the fight? Did he flagrantly break the rules of boxing, like turning away from your opponent, that he knows would mean the ref had to end the contest, thereby putting an end to the fight?

The FACT is: No. No. And no.

You can reply and argue all you like- facts are facts.
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He took a knee without getting hit. He quit plain and simple. He wanted out. Steward also said he heard Cotto tell the referee to stop it before he saw his corner throw in the towel. It is right there in plain English on the broadcast. Cotto quit.

DINAMITA · Jul 28, 2008

Rico Spadafora said:

He took a knee without getting hit. He quit plain and simple. He wanted out. Steward also said he heard Cotto tell the referee to stop it before he saw his corner throw in the towel. It is right there in plain English on the broadcast. Cotto quit.
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He did not quit though. I'm not explaining it again. See above.

sthomas · Jul 28, 2008

Dave_TheGreat said:

I ran a 10K marathon, not a big thing but I ran it wrong. I tried to run with the ****ing pros at their pace and it ****ed my ass up big time. I feel back hard but I finished eventually, my body was killing me at the end but like I said I finished.

Is it getting punched in the head, nope. Is it still physically taxing, yes extremely, especially when you run the wrong type of race.

Does any of that matter, nope. The principle is still the same, the great ones in all sports battle through pain and do not quit or look for a way out, that is part of what makes them great. Is that damaging to them, hell yeah, but the cost of greatness demands nothing less.

Now please seperate me saying Cotto quit, from saying he has no talent or did not put on a hell of a show.
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What the hell is a 10k Marathon?????? I ran a marathon once and it was 26+ miles. Did you run a 10k or a Marathon or was it both one after another?

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