An open letter to each and every person who calls Cotto a 'quitter'

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jul 28, 2008.


  1. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have you ever seen a fight where a guy took a knee to avoid further punishment and try to get out of the round without getting knocked out? If he wanted out of the fight he could've just went down from any number of punches and not gotten up. I viewed him taking a knee as trying to buy time and escape the round.
     
  2. DINAMITA

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    Two final questions that should settle this with the Sadist Brigade:

    1.We all agree that Miguel Cotto never ended the fight, he got up, but Evangelista Cotto got the fight stopped by Bayless. So Miguel Cotto did not technically quit. However, guys on this thread have been saying he is a quitter because he took a knee without being hit (even though he had been hit 1000 times through the course of the evening, but hey). OK, how about this for your rancid little theory then:

    if a fighter takes a voluntary knee without immediately receiving a punch as he feels he needs a short breather to recover his senses and get his breath back, and then gets up and knocks his opponent out 2 rounds later, is he a quitter?? How can someone be both a quitter and a winner at the same time? Therefore, the voluntary taking of a knee does not automatically make someone a quitter. Miguel Cotto took a knee because he was in trouble, but that was all he did, he didn't choose to end the fight. If he had won after the voluntary knee, would he still be a quitter?

    - To everyone that has said he was a quitter, did u see the Benn v McClennan fight? McClennan took 2 knees. At the time, were u shouting at the tv that he was a quitter? I know I was not, because I have the same morality now as I had then- I respect boxers and I respect great boxers. I knew if McClennan was going down on his knee, he was doing it because he had to physically. We then found out that there of course was a reason, a tragic reason, he was taking the knees. Now, Miguel Cotto may not have the same injury, but how do we know, how can we know, he was not in a similar state of physical pain at the time?? We cannot know this. The injuries may be far less severe, but that does not necessarily correlate to physical pain.

    Boxers do not take knees if they are not in distress. Never degrade them for this as you do not know what sort of pain they are in.

    Shame on you.
     
  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    lol , i cant believe you actually compare running a couple extra miles in pain to putting yourself in mortal danger against a top proffesional fighter. the guy knew he was defenseless against a man that could swell his brain from a punch and he had no chance of stopping him so he conceded the win like a man.
    iv'e had the opportunity to judge courage in war and in prison from heros to killers and i suspect that you do not understand courage, as most people don't, because most people are cowards by nature.
    i went through us army airborne school with a sprained ankle. i ran mandatory runs that would make your 10k look like a walk in the park and i jumped out of 5 airplanes with that same sprained, swollen ankle. thats the kind of pain that will make you want to puke and take a **** at the same time. but that is not courage nor is it comparable to what cotto was facing in the ring. i have seen acts of courage that are comparable but missunderstood by the masses of cowards and this is a similar situation.
     
  4. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    Never said anything I did was the equivalent of a boxing match, I'm talking ideals. I was raised that you never give up even if you are behind. Playing pee-wee football and basketball it was always drilled in me that you do not quit even if you are behind, because its how you finish.

    Now maybe you all don't want to see your favorite boxer as quiting because you feel it is an insult instead of an act, but you need to get over it. Cotto took a knee because he thought he was going to get hit, looked at his corner and then the towel was thrown in. I believe the knee and the look to the corner was a sign that he wanted out and his trainer/uncle obliged.

    In my eye Cotto quit when he physically could continue, but he didn't want to because he knew that he could not hurt Margarito because he had hit him with his best.

    I know some of you are crying about sadism, savageness, UFC, and some other irrelevant crap, but I'm not going to play that game, because you all aren't making arguments you are trying to shame people to conforming to your beliefs and I don't play that game.
     
  5. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not offended but surprised @ your answer when somone asked a serious question about you ever quitting something. I thought you'd come up with something way more compelling than that. And to refer to the race as a 10k marathon puts it into even more of a ridiculous situation of overcoming adversity and not quitting.
     
  6. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    Hey its relative I say. I'm never going to box and I don't ever dream of doing it, but it was my big mountain to climb so to speak, but if you can't understand the underlying concept I was trying to evoke, no problem.
     
  7. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well said. Most of the time those who denigrate on a subject like this are those who are least likely to accomplish things so they just take pleasure in others misery. Bunch of Poodles.
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Great post, don't expect MANY to understand.
     
  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I understand the concept perfectly, and ya know what, when I ride my Harley 500 miles in a day IT MAKES MY ASS HURT!! Hardly the same thing as competing in a world class boxing match.
     
  10. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'll accept that you think Cotto actually quit, but why is it so important to you to argue this point so much considering that he and Marg. had put in 10 + rounds of brutal boxing. It's kind of strange.
     
  11. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    Don't lecture me you know nothing knob cheese
     
  12. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Knob cheese!:rofl
     
  13. jrios

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    This is more of a matter of opinion. One can argue either side. After the first knee the ref let him go on, and Cotto did not stay on the ropes or walk backwards, he instead walked towards Margo and stood in front of him and threw his punches, but he was too hurt and too tired to take Margo's pressure. He fought with what seemed to be a broken nose for the last 9 rds of the fight against a fighter naturally bigger and stronger. He fought a brave fight IMO. I still have respect for him because with that kind of fight most fighters wouldn't have made it passed the 5th-6th rd.
     
  14. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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  15. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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