An open letter to each and every person who calls Cotto a 'quitter'

Club Fighter · Jul 28, 2008

I'll keep this short and sweet. Morales QUIT!

jusren2 · Jul 28, 2008

cotto did not quit...he had the fight beaten out of him. Cotto gave it his best and that's all us fans can ask for. Cotto is a true warrior all of us boxing fans should honor. If i were ever fortunate enough to meet him i would say thanks for giving boxing fans an unforgetable night. This is coming from a margarito fan.

DINAMITA · Jul 29, 2008

Pharaoh said:

for the record when i said Morales quit in reply to the Cotto is a quitter thread, i was just playing devil's advocate because the thread starter is probably a Mexican. I know Morales is a true warrior and ultimate badass.
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The thread starter is actually Scottish and has absolutely zero attachment to Mexico, Puerto Rico, or anywhere else other than Scotland.

BoxingKangaroo · Jul 29, 2008

Healy said:

Im not going to call him a quiter, but he was mentally hurt in the later rounds. Kept turning his back and walking away, ok, not exatly like that, but he did it alot, as if he was saying 'i want away from this mad man' and i dont think that anyone can blame him

Cotto hit Margo with everything he could have and couldnt even make him take a back step...it was unreal to watch!

Do i know if he quit? Nah i dont think so, its a stupid phrased used by unknowledgable fans. I DO however believe that Margo had got inside his head and broke his heart as much as anything...

I feel sorry for Cotto, i hope he comes back strong
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margo did break his spirit nd heart, but left his brain still working and he used it to make the right decision for not only himself, but his young family, cotto is only young and if he continued the rest of the 11th and perhaps the 12th i gurante you cotto would be a shadow of his former self. he also has to think of things as a father, im sure he wants to be able to provide and enjoy his time with his kid (any father will know what im saying) if him taking a knee and having the fight stopped is frowned upon by certain posters all we can say is that we have different ideas of what the sport is about.

DINAMITA · Jul 29, 2008

BoxingKangaroo said:

margo did break his spirit nd heart, but left his brain still working and he used it to make the right decision for not only himself, but his young family, cotto is only young and if he continued the rest of the 11th and perhaps the 12th i gurante you cotto would be a shadow of his former self. he also has to think of things as a father, im sure he wants to be able to provide and enjoy his time with his kid (any father will know what im saying) if him taking a knee and having the fight stopped is frowned upon by certain posters all we can say is that we have different ideas of what the sport is about.
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I agree with your sentiments, I do, but again the fact that it was Evangelista Cotto and not Miguel Cotto that got the fight stopped is getting overlooked. Miguel Cotto took a knee as he desperately needed time to recover from the brutality, he rose to get ready to restart, and his uncle saw the state he was in, knew that Miguel couldn't win, and forced the referee to stop it. Miguel Cotto did not make the decision. Did he protest? No. Did he look relieved? Yes. The guy was exhausted and in agony and was probably disconsolate at realizing he had lost but knew he couldn't go on... but he did not quit the fight. That must be recognized as it is what happened in the black and white of reality.

Jack Presscot · Jul 29, 2008

PACFAN84 said:

My hero, and one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters in history, Roberto Duran, QUIT against Sugar Ray Leonard.

Oliver McCall, for whatever reason, QUIT against Lennox Lewis.

Erik Morales did NOT quit in his 3rd fight with Manny Pacquiao.

And Miguel Cotto did NOT quit against Antonio Margarito.

This should not be a difficult distinction for anyone with half a brain to recognize.

If you are not suffering extreme physical pain and fatigue, and turn away from your opponent at any point for any reason, you have quit the act of fighting.

If you are suffering EXTREME physical pain and fatigue after expending a HUGE amount of energy by fighting a naturally bigger, stronger opponent and taking MANY MANY POWERFUL punches, and believe it is necessary to take a voluntary count to give yourself some time to recover so you can stay in the fight, this is clever NOT cowardly. I don't know why fighters don't do it more. If I was a boxer and felt I was teetering on the brink of being floored as I was taking heavy punishment, I'd hit the knee right away to give myself a better chance of winning the fight. Hanging on to avoid a KD is just plain stupid when you can interrupt the momentum and avoid taking punches that will effect your ability to continue by simply taking a knee. In the future, I bet this is a common tactic employed by smart fighters who do not give a **** about the opinion of moronic fans and just want to win at all costs even if it means taking a knee. And, in the case of Morales, if you stay down because you know in your heart you cannot win, that rising only to risk serious damage to your health is the only option left, then there is honour in being man enough to let it go, and not being so reckless with your own life to take punches to the head for the "fans".

Miguel Cotto had taken severe punishment and could not clear his head. He had absolutely nothing left in the tank and the time and knew, he KNEW, if he stayed up he would be KO'd. He did the right thing 100%. And then his corner pulled him out

(***it is worth noting here that in retrospect, Evangelista Cotto also made 1000% the CORRECT decision- that is FACT. Going into the 11th, 2 judges had it 96-94 for Margarito and one had it 95-95. EVEN IF Cotto had managed to hang on til the end of that round without going down again- which even a blind man (though not some posters on here) could see was impossible as Cotto was spent and Margo was ready for the KO blow- then the round had to be a 10-7, which means the cards would have been 106-101 twice and 105-102- WITH ONE ROUND TO GO. The fight WAS CONCLUSIVELY ALREADY LOST at the point Evangelista Cotto stopped it, as there is no way on this planet Margarito could have been stopped in the final 3 minutes by an exhausted Cotto (I don't think anyone south of cruiserweight could stop Margarito either to be honest!). Evangelista Cotto saved his man from further punishment that he had no need to take. He may have saved his career too.***)

A final word on this goes to the guy who started the 'Cotto quitter' thread and all like-minded sickos on here:

If you want to see men adhering to some pathetic, inhuman law of the machismo, where you will willingly allow yourself to be brutally knocked out, where you will force the other man to punch you to a bloody standstill, where you believe there is honour in being carried out on a stretcher and taken to the critical wing of the hospital, where it is a brave and wonderful manly thing to risk the kind of injury Oscar Diaz suffered weeks ago and many many more have suffered in the past just to be a 'warrior' or not a 'quitter' in the eyes of the "fans" (?!?!?!?!?!) then please, PLEASE, for all of us true boxing fans:

**** OFF to the UFC and leave the noble art for noble men. Satisfy your despicable blood-lust and medieval notions of manhood by screaming with joy as one guy gets his skull elbowed into the floor til the blood drowns him.

You are the vile breed that puts boxing in danger of being prohibited by completely disregarding the safety of competitors. The fighter in his own head KNOWS how much pain he is in and KNOWS if he can continue or not, you, sitting in your ****ing armchair massaging your ***** every time someone gets cut or hurt, know NOTHING about who should continue or who has 'quit'.

You are the vile breed who calls Miguel Cotto a 'quitter' for not wishing to make the futile, empty, pointless gesture of being punched into oblivion when he had already lost (both technically on points but, more importantly, in reality as he had given everything in a mighty effort and had nothing, absolutely nothing, left) in front of his CHILDREN who were crying at ringside.

I am ashamed to love the same sport as people like you.

Miguel Cotto, you gave us real fans an unforgettable fight, you fought like a man, you gave everything, you lost to the better man on the night. There can be no shame in that. Salute.
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Tito would never have quit.

gottagivafight · Jul 29, 2008

PACFAN84 said:

My hero, and one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters in history, Roberto Duran, QUIT against Sugar Ray Leonard.

Oliver McCall, for whatever reason, QUIT against Lennox Lewis.

Erik Morales did NOT quit in his 3rd fight with Manny Pacquiao.

And Miguel Cotto did NOT quit against Antonio Margarito.

This should not be a difficult distinction for anyone with half a brain to recognize.

If you are not suffering extreme physical pain and fatigue, and turn away from your opponent at any point for any reason, you have quit the act of fighting.

If you are suffering EXTREME physical pain and fatigue after expending a HUGE amount of energy by fighting a naturally bigger, stronger opponent and taking MANY MANY POWERFUL punches, and believe it is necessary to take a voluntary count to give yourself some time to recover so you can stay in the fight, this is clever NOT cowardly. I don't know why fighters don't do it more. If I was a boxer and felt I was teetering on the brink of being floored as I was taking heavy punishment, I'd hit the knee right away to give myself a better chance of winning the fight. Hanging on to avoid a KD is just plain stupid when you can interrupt the momentum and avoid taking punches that will effect your ability to continue by simply taking a knee. In the future, I bet this is a common tactic employed by smart fighters who do not give a **** about the opinion of moronic fans and just want to win at all costs even if it means taking a knee. And, in the case of Morales, if you stay down because you know in your heart you cannot win, that rising only to risk serious damage to your health is the only option left, then there is honour in being man enough to let it go, and not being so reckless with your own life to take punches to the head for the "fans".

Miguel Cotto had taken severe punishment and could not clear his head. He had absolutely nothing left in the tank and the time and knew, he KNEW, if he stayed up he would be KO'd. He did the right thing 100%. And then his corner pulled him out

(***it is worth noting here that in retrospect, Evangelista Cotto also made 1000% the CORRECT decision- that is FACT. Going into the 11th, 2 judges had it 96-94 for Margarito and one had it 95-95. EVEN IF Cotto had managed to hang on til the end of that round without going down again- which even a blind man (though not some posters on here) could see was impossible as Cotto was spent and Margo was ready for the KO blow- then the round had to be a 10-7, which means the cards would have been 106-101 twice and 105-102- WITH ONE ROUND TO GO. The fight WAS CONCLUSIVELY ALREADY LOST at the point Evangelista Cotto stopped it, as there is no way on this planet Margarito could have been stopped in the final 3 minutes by an exhausted Cotto (I don't think anyone south of cruiserweight could stop Margarito either to be honest!). Evangelista Cotto saved his man from further punishment that he had no need to take. He may have saved his career too.***)

A final word on this goes to the guy who started the 'Cotto quitter' thread and all like-minded sickos on here:

If you want to see men adhering to some pathetic, inhuman law of the machismo, where you will willingly allow yourself to be brutally knocked out, where you will force the other man to punch you to a bloody standstill, where you believe there is honour in being carried out on a stretcher and taken to the critical wing of the hospital, where it is a brave and wonderful manly thing to risk the kind of injury Oscar Diaz suffered weeks ago and many many more have suffered in the past just to be a 'warrior' or not a 'quitter' in the eyes of the "fans" (?!?!?!?!?!) then please, PLEASE, for all of us true boxing fans:

**** OFF to the UFC and leave the noble art for noble men. Satisfy your despicable blood-lust and medieval notions of manhood by screaming with joy as one guy gets his skull elbowed into the floor til the blood drowns him.

You are the vile breed that puts boxing in danger of being prohibited by completely disregarding the safety of competitors. The fighter in his own head KNOWS how much pain he is in and KNOWS if he can continue or not, you, sitting in your ****ing armchair massaging your ***** every time someone gets cut or hurt, know NOTHING about who should continue or who has 'quit'.

You are the vile breed who calls Miguel Cotto a 'quitter' for not wishing to make the futile, empty, pointless gesture of being punched into oblivion when he had already lost (both technically on points but, more importantly, in reality as he had given everything in a mighty effort and had nothing, absolutely nothing, left) in front of his CHILDREN who were crying at ringside.

I am ashamed to love the same sport as people like you.

Miguel Cotto, you gave us real fans an unforgettable fight, you fought like a man, you gave everything, you lost to the better man on the night. There can be no shame in that. Salute.
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Man, I'm withyu. I remember watchin' Margo set on Cotto at one point and deliver three consecutive shots to the mid-section that likely cracked ribs with the second or third blow. Cotto did exceptionally well against a very strong and superbly conditioned fighter.

Jack Presscot · Jul 29, 2008

ssabripo said:

great post, but unfortunately, this forum is riddled with a buncha ******ed noobs and douchecanoes, so don't expect anything positive
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Nobody cares what you think, homo, go back to jacking off in front of your Tarver posters.:good

roscoe · Jul 29, 2008

I laugh at all the so called experts who can assess Cotto's physical condition at the time of the fight & say he could of continued in the comforts of their lounge chairs. The man had nothing left, what do we want to see another Gerald McClellan. **** me, go have someone rain down on you for 30 mins, bust ya nose, make you swallow copius amounts of your own blood whilst fighting back a monster that just keeps on coming eating all your best shots. Some fight fans are never happy, I'll stick by Cotto he will be back thats for sure.

hellblazer · Jul 29, 2008

Excellent post mate!

slapsSOgood · Jul 29, 2008

Isn't PACFAN the man that claimed Ricky Hatton was a cheater for clinching? when dropping to the knee when you're not knocked down is surely bending the rules as much as holding. And it shows less heart. You're still risking a nasty uppercut/rabbit punch when tangled up.

DINAMITA · Jul 29, 2008

slapsSOgood said:

Isn't PACFAN the man that claimed Ricky Hatton was a cheater for clinching? when dropping to the knee when you're not knocked down is surely bending the rules as much as holding. And it shows less heart. You're still risking a nasty uppercut/rabbit punch when tangled up.
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PACFAN is most definitely 1000% NOT the man who claimed Ricky Hatton was a cheater for clinching, you have got the wrong guy completely.

DINAMITA · Jul 29, 2008

Jack Presscot said:

Tito would never have quit.
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Tito's family stopped the fight v Hopkins when they knew he had lost the decision and would suffer needless pain if the fight carried on after he had been knocked down. Same situation. Tito and Cotto are both warriors we should respect.

doomeddisciple · Jul 29, 2008

Cotto gained my respect from that fight more than any other.

slapsSOgood · Jul 29, 2008

PACFAN84 said:

PACFAN is most definitely 1000% NOT the man who claimed Ricky Hatton was a cheater for clinching, you have got the wrong guy completely.
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oh sorry.

I have no other qualms with your point though. Cotto took his beating like a man.

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