An opinion on Primo Carnera from 1993

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

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    Petaluma Argus-Courier- 1993 Feb 16 (page 9)
    By bill soberanes
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    One of the heaviest men to hold the heavyweight title was Primo Carnera. There are the boxing Buffs who say Carnera really wasn't a very good fighter, but I disagree. In his prime, Primo beat the following top boxers — Jack Sharkey, Tommy Laughran and Paulinon Uzcudun. [sic]
    Primo took the heavyweight title by beating Sharkey, who many say was an underrated champion. Tommy Laughran ranks as one of that time's cleverest boxers. Pailino Uzcudun was ranked as the man no on could knock out. The fact is that Paulino was never knocked out until he came out of retirement to fight the great Joe Louis.
    Primo Carnera, the heaviest man to hold the heavyweight title, was one of the fastest of the giants of the ring. I believe he could defeat any of today's heavyweights when he was in his prime.
    Although he was the heaviest champion, Primo had the body of an Atlas, and I think he could have won titles in bodybuilding contests. Jimmie Payne, a former Mr. America, said that Carnera had a magnificent body.
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  2. Man_Machine

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    That article was going well, until: "
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    Even so, there is clearly a spectrum of opinion that has to be considered.
     
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    This forum has done just that, dozens of times over; quite likely involving higher value opinions than that related in the OP.
     
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    Carnera was an impressive physical specimen who did train hard and learned some boxing moves over the years. Very strong and fit and huge. He was brave too.

    But he really couldn't punch, he tended to push. And he couldn't take a punch well at all.
    And it is true that his record was built on set-ups and fixed fights. Lots of the fights ended extremely unsatisfactory.
     
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    The author of the article is wrong about some things, but right about others.

    He is wrong to say that Carnera would have beaten the best heavyweights of 1993, but he is right that he is one of the more impressive big men on film.

    A lot of people don't want to admit that.
     
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  9. Man_Machine

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    Because it's an entirely subjective viewpoint, with which one does not have to agree.
     
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    I get the idea that some fight fans watch fights through two sets of glasses.

    the people who are looking for reasons to prosecute Carnera on film, often shrug off similar, or in some case much worse flaws, in more modern super heavyweights.
     
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    A fair and balanced opinion on Carnera, which he didn’t get during his career considering how much the media hated him despite the fact that Carnera beat a lot of good competition before getting a titleshot and was willing to fight all styles.

    The Associated Press and Outfits that ran most of the big arenas really had an axe to grind with Carnera and his management and took shots at him almost everytime they wrote pieces on him.

    Carnera before his unfortunate ankle injury in the Baer fight, which he never fully recovered from would’ve had a good shot against any of the big men in 1993. However, after the ankle injury Carnera wasn’t as mobile or durable and became very beatable.
     
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  12. SheenLantern

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    This makes me wonder, does everyone underrate the era they're living through? Are kids in 2050 gonna look back at today and think "Man, prime Anthony Joshua would walk through today's heavyweights"?
     
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    It's certainly much rarer to see glowing praise for a ers, than scathing criticism, from the time.
     
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  14. Man_Machine

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    In some respects, viewing the different eras of Carnera and the "more modern super heavyweights", through different lenses of his time and this time, is not only understandable, but also quite necessary.

    For one thing, the modern guys, like Fury, Joshua and Wilder, are unlikely to enjoy the kind of physical advantages over their opposition, as Carnera did over a considerable number of his opponents. Today's behemoths will rarely find themselves matched against guys weighing less than 210lbs and something the author neglects to mention is the 84lb weight advantage Carnera had over "one of that time's cleverest boxers" (Loughran).
     
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    An era, currently being lived through, represents a 'work in progress' and 'history in the making'. So, it is quite likely to be undervalued, while assessments are also in the progress of being made with less than a complete picture.

    Couple this with a fundamental lack of understanding of the sport and you have the recipe for uninformed, sweeping statements, like the one made by Soberanes.
     
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