An unbiased look at AJ's top 10 opponents

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  2. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You could add that Pulev had Covid just before the fight.

    I also thought the Wlad fight could have continued a bit longer since Wlad was on his feet and still avoiding some punches. AJ may well have gassed within moments and allowed Wlad to recover enough to finish the fight or even land a bomb of his own. If it wasn't an AJ fight and/or Wlad wasn't old and considered fragile I think it would have go on.
     
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  3. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Unfortunately it’s true.. You have a few who are fighting the best anytime but it’s mainly at the weight classes under 135 due to the lack of exposure and not as much money available.
     
  4. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joshua's resume is still the best at Heavy. Wilder and Fury have a lot of bums padding out there resumes.
    AJ has some flaws but he at least has attempted to fight the best people who were availible.
     
  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Imagine seeing an "unbiased" breakdown of Wilders resume...
     
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  6. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

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    Read the thread title, saw the thread author…..lol’d.
     
  7. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wilder was heavily protected until 2015 and protected until 2018: since then no one has fought tougher or more dangerous competition in the sport (Ortiz, Fury, Breazeale, Ortiz, Fury, Fury). Wilder started boxing at 20 and had less than a 3 year amateur career before turning pro, AJ started at 18 and had a 6 year amateur career before turning pro. Wilder being brought along more slowly also gave him greater experience pro than AJ, who unlike Wilder got splattered by a B/C level opponent.
     
  8. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wilder started at 20 and had a much shorter amateur career, Joyce started at 22, Tony Thompson started at 27 with virtually no amateur career.
     
  9. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You can't do it to every fighter's resume. For example, Usyk went to the backyards of half a dozen champions and unbeaten contenders and beat all of them, nearly all in dominant fashion. There is nothing manufactured about his resume. I could critique Usyk's KO record but everyone knows he's not a big puncher anyway.

    Martin, Wlad and Parker wanted to fight AJ first and foremost because an AJ fight (and potential rematch) offered the most money, interest and (after the Wlad unification) status. Why fight Wilder for at least as much risk and much lower reward?
     
  10. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Judging resumes clearly has a large degree of subjectivity as so many have wildly divergent opinions but for me, AJ never could have had "by far the best resume" until he eclipsed Fury's dominant win over a 17 months younger, active, 22 win streak Wlad away from home as the B-side. No number of Whyte's and Takam's prove that AJ's on that level.
     
  11. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk is one of the guys who are the exception.
     
  12. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You should be the biggest Fury supporter on this forum: he's proven you wrong in virtually every fight he's had going back 10 years!
     
  13. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's look a little closer...
    Wilder and Fury fought each other three times if we take that out of the equation what's left?
    Fury despite all the talk and promises of fighting anyone has shown a history of pulling out of fights and like Wilder has a paper thin resume.
    Ortiz? Who has he fought exactly? No one. Ortiz is like Wilder in terms of he's not really fought any of the top guys in the division so it's difficult to weigh up and gauge how good he is. Anyone can look good when there repeatedly just fight bums
    Wilder only fought Fury beccause he thought Fury would be an easy nights work after his lay off and weight gain.
    Breazeale is a B-level guy tops and not really champ material.
    To say Wilder has fought nothing but killers is just factually incorrect.
     
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  14. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I never accused him of ducking Wlad or Povetkin, let alone zero threat Parker and Pulev. I have accused him of ducking Ortiz and Wilder, as well as not wanting the Fury fight. I have not said his resume "sucks" (by what standard?) but it's clear that it's massively overhyped.

    Chisora and Kevin Johnson have fought more quality names than AJ but this omits the crucial fact that they've always lost. AJ's lost twice in dominant fashion to wide underdogs, once to a B/C level opponent. In terms of quality and dangerous opponents fought, Fury's resume is far better than AJ's.
     
  15. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    There is zero attempt at being objective in your analysis, stuff like "very close fight with Chisora 1" is a joke considering that the consensus is that a not even 23 year old, 14 fight Fury won anything between 9 and 11 rounds. Not worthy of a response.