An unbiased look at Fury's top 10 opponents

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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    By popular demand

    Wins:

    1. 39.5 Wlad, away, 10-2 schooling

    2. 34.5 Wilder, away, TKO7 domination

    3. 36 Wilder, 20 months inactive, away, KO11 war

    4. 29 Wallin, neutral, 9-3 war

    5. 36.5 Cunningham, away, KO7 war

    6. 31 Chisora, neutral, RET10 (Chisora couldn't land a glove)

    7. 27.5 Chisora, neutral, 10-2 domination

    8. 27.5 Hammer, home, RET8 (Hammer couldn't land a glove)

    9. 33 Johnson, short notice, home, 12-0 shutout

    Draw:

    1. 33 Wilder, away, war (controversial result)

    Fury was the underdog in 4/10 fights (Chisora 1, Wlad, Wilder 1, Wilder 2) and a 20/80 underdog vs Wlad. Fury was the away fighter against 5/6 of his best opponents and was unambiguously the B-side against his 3 best opponents. 18 consecutive defence Wlad was 27 year old Fury’s first championship opponent. Because of the lesser hype around Fury, more of his opponents came to win or believed that they could. Fury has faced KO artists professionally 4 times, twice when rusty and poorly conditioned (going 40 full rounds and never beaten) signed to fight Haye in 2013 and fought a 22 year old Price in the amateurs when he was 17. 1/10 of Fury's opponents was 37+. 5/10 of Fury's opponents were 6'5+. One of Fury's opponents was a slick mover. One of Fury's opponents was a tough southpaw. 5/10 of Fury’s opponents were ex/current world champions (Wlad, Wilder x3, Cunningham) 3 reigning (Wlad, Wilder x2).
     
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  2. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury currently has the best resume at HW. But that wasn't what I was pointing out. For years AJ had the best resume. You can pick it apart all you want but AJ was miles ahead of Fury for a long time. In fact, once Fury went on to KO Wilder twice these posts claiming AJ had the best resume at heavyweight had vanished. You're basically arguing against a made up boogeyman. But that isn't surprising coming from somebody who rates Ortiz as one of the best wins in the division.
     
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  3. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    This post wasn't directed at you, several responders wanted me to do a review of Fury's top 10 opponents (and Wilder's). AJ's claim to having the best resume was always highly contentious: he never had a win nearly as good as Fury's schooling of champ Wlad in Germany. And the wins over 2x cruiser champ Cunningham in America, two wins over a non-shopworn Chisora, Hammer, non-shot Johnson etc. were also not considered, despite three of them being better than a war with green Whyte or outpointing Joey twelve Parker at home with help from the ref. Wilder's wins over Ortiz were not as good over the wins over Wlad, the wins over Wilder and the wins over AJ but Ortiz 1 is surely in the top 10 of current wins in the division.
     
  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    McDermott win(s) are well ahead of Johnson who barely comes to win against anyone who can outwork him. Johnson looked good on paper at that time and was a veteran but if you had the goods you'd beat him.

    Fury was a baby fresh out of the womb, McDermott was a 30 year old veteran one of the highest ranked Brits at that time. His first step up.
     
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  5. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    McDerm was a better win given the context but I don't think he was better than a non-shot KJ in absolute terms, who went on to give Hammer a close fight and has several wins over the worst Klitschko era contenders. Had a fit 24 year old Fury rather than fat camp 21 year old Fury fought exactly the same McDermott, he would have schooled and stopped him without any difficulty whatsoever.
     
  6. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Furys Chisora wins has started to payoff.
     
  7. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And you have the cheek to question my objectivity. At least I'm fairly critical of AJ, Wilder, and Fury.

    "Furys 10-2 domination of Wlad" - this for a start is just either incompetence in scoring on your part or pure fanboyism
     
  8. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    This isn't my opinion, it's the consensus: [url]https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/collision-course-wladimir-klitschko-vs-tyson-fury[/url]

    According to Compubox, Wlad landed 52 punches (the 2nd fewest ever in a heavyweight championship fight) 34 of which were jabs, to Fury's 86 punches, 48 power.

    Even Wlad's judges in Germany didn't unanimously give him ONE single round and gave Fury 8/9 rounds, four unanimously. Yet you claim that Fury won "7/8 rounds".
     
  9. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Looks pretty shite, done it?



    Fury Vs Walin 9-3 lol :risas3::risas3::risas3:
     
  10. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Quoting compubox means nothing as it is notoriously inaccurate and judges are often wrong. I've been through that borefest of a fight 3 times, carefully replaying any exchanges, what I said still stands and if you watch the fight back again you'd come to the same conclusion (unless of course you emphasise Furys forearm slaps and score rounds based on feints+showboating and not clean/impactful landed punches)
     
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  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I used wrapping paper this Christmas thicker than that resume.
     
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  12. red corner

    red corner Active Member banned Full Member

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    Nice summary. He fought old Wlad and over rated Wilder and a bunch of fringe contenders. Not impressive.
     
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  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thats 7 opponents. Not 10
     
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  14. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    So the Compubox stats which suggest that Canelo has lost several of his big fights are also wildly wrong, good to know.

    I'm sure Wlad's judges in Germany were bending over backwards to give Fury every round they could. It's not like the superstar champion home fighter tends to benefit from a solid helping of A-side advantage in the scoring.

    6/61 of the public scorecards give Fury 7 or fewer rounds. I don't see any point in playing the fight back at 0.25 speed, Fury won clearly and limited Wlad to mounting a historically low amount of offence with his feints, movement and counter-punching threat.
     
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  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Relative to the amount of praise and hype many try to create and heap on this guy... boy what a lousy resume by any boxing critic standards.
     
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