An unbiased look at Fury's top 10 opponents

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  1. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Comparing eras is a mugs game, because Fury would literally laugh off the likes of Joe Frazier like Joe Joyce laughed off Tickling Takam. That doesn't make Joe Frazier any less great, but he wouldn't be as effective in today's era. That's not to say that he wouldn't be effective at all - look at Andy Rice Pudding Jr. A fairly useless boxer who managed to beat an apparently great heavyweight in Joshua.

    Whatever way you look at it, everything points to Fury being a special heavyweight. It's hard to imagine Frazier, Ali, Foreman and co. landing a glove on a focussed Fury. They'd all look crap.
     
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  2. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Why?
     
  3. BELLERS

    BELLERS Active Member Full Member

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    'My grounds' on my post, is that's my opinion.
    I'm not into splitting hairs, writing long posts or getting into online arguments.
    Forums work on opinions, deal with it....
     
  4. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    1. Wladimir Klitschko
    2. Deontay Wilder
    3. Steve Cuningham
    4. Otto Walin
    5. Derek Chisora
    6. Christian Hammer
    7. Neven Pajkić
    8. Tom Schwartz
    9. Vinny Maddalone
    10. Francesco Pianeta
     
  5. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury has only ever been focussed in one fight when he was actually had an offensive game. The rest of his career not so much.
    I like Fury but making out he's some GOAT based on one performance is a little silly and factually dishonest.
    Even in that performance he was getting hit quite a lot just that Wilder lacked the skill to capitalise on that fact. The only fight he was slick was against Vlad however his punch output was pathetic.
    So we litterally have to mix and match fights to create this mythical Fury you've created in your head. With the movement and slickness of the Vlad fight with the offensive focussed Wilder 2 fight.
     
  6. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought you loved a bit of pedantry

    Still the unbiased facts are: Wilder couldn't drop Duhaupas, and he couldn't KO him.

    Now we could talk about it being a typical hometown stoppage for Yoka against an opponent at the end of their career brought in to pad his record.

    Even so, Yoka did drop Duhaupas twice, and yet Povetkin is still the only one to knock him out. Not Yoka, not Wilder
     
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  7. BELLERS

    BELLERS Active Member Full Member

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    Most, if not all of Fury’s Fanboys, had never heard of him before the Klitschko fight.
    He’s fought 7 times since………funny.
    I have an unbiased view of AJ, Fury & whoever else you care to name.
    I’m not a fan of any, just have an open mind & an opinion.
     
  8. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Regadless of what Joshua fanboys believe I think the evidence pretty heavily points to Breazeale, Molina, etc not being top 10 heavyweights ability-wise. I don't understand the preoccupation with Joshua by Fury apologists as I think the achievements of guys like Yoka, Makhmudov, Joyce, Usyk, etc are far more likely to prove harmful to Fury's legacy. If Yoka, Makhmudov, Hrgovic go on to achieve great things and Fury never fights them that could raise questions about where Fury rates in his era.
     
  9. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    So you have no justification. I don't blame you because there isn't one.
     
  10. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    The unbiased fact is: Wilder was the first to stop Duhaupas, beat him by TKO.

    Victories by KO, TKO, retirement (and in betting even DQ) count as KO wins. If the only KO wins are where you spark the opponent out, AJ would have next to no KO wins, if any. But it would be absurd to claim that AJ has no KO's because TKO's count.

    Duhaupas fought Povetkin on literally a day's notice and after Wilder had battered and stopped him. It's dishonest in the extreme to omit these facts.
     
  11. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    If Fury beats Usyk, becomes undisputed and then retires shortly after, it will be seen as the start of a new era. Fury turned pro in 2008, was a Klitschko era heavyweight, beat Wlad to end the era. Becoming undisputed would mean that the post-Klitschko era emphatically belonged to him.
     
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  12. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis beating vastly more top 10 opponents than Fury is an objective fact whereas how they stake up to Fury's paper-thin resume is subjective. Wilder's failure to mix it up with the best of the division leaves a lot of uncertainty as to how impressive Fury beating him actually is and Klitschko was on his way out and never won another fight retiring soon afterwards. The guys who beat Lewis were top 10 contenders. Losses are more likely if you consistently face the best which Fury has not done.

    Fury's lucky not to have a loss to John McDermott. And could easily have had the Otto Wallin fight waved off. His apologists are not in a good position to criticize Lewis. If McCall and Rahman are palookas I suppose Wilder is as well.
     
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  13. BELLERS

    BELLERS Active Member Full Member

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    Keep trolling, it’s all you know. Boxing isn’t for you. You’re funny.
     
  14. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Skilled yes athletic no......
     
  15. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You always hang your hat on this arbitrary "top 10" criterion as it if it the only one by which you can evaluate a champion's record.

    You simply don't consider context.
     
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