Analysing Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - Gif heavy

He just gave him a little nudge. He really improved the skill of use opponents momentum to disrupt balance under Steward tutelage. Wlad is not as good at it as Vitali but he does use it effectively now nonetheless.

 

Great post, hit the nail on the head really. Both fighters are to blame for the fight being boring to a casual spectator, to real fans of the sport it made for facinating viewing. To expect an exciting fight between someone as reluctant as Wladimir and a counterpuncher with a low output like Haye is silly, dont need any amount of hindsight to see that.

 

good analysis

 

Great analysis!
You should make these kind of threads more often

 

Agreed 100%. Now, let;s hope the Haye that destroyed Barret, Ruiz, and DelBoy comes back with or without a Vitali fight so's we can truly have a second best HW in the division.:deal

 

If they were the same size Haye wins by stoppage everytime so don't agree with that part.

Still good post by the OP.

 

Effort - 20

Can I be arsed reading it? - 0

 

This is the best Wlad vs Haye post I've read. Nice stuff.

 

:huh

And your point is?

Haye's balance is a big weakness, and one of the many reasons he'd have lost that fight regardless of whether Wlad was clinching or leaning of not. But the fact is he was leaning and therefore Haye went to the floor to avoid having a 240lb man pushing down on his neck.

 

My only point was that Haye's falling was used to negate the effect of an illegal tactic used by Wlad. Whatever caused Haye to be in a position to be leaned on is pretty irrelevant, as an illegal move is an illegal move.

But it works for Wlad and he's by no means the only fighter to bend or break the rules to help him win.

 

great analysis.....could have added gifs of the big shots landed by both guys....neither being hurt in the fight tosses the glass beliefs to the wind

 

That is so long man. I dont into that much detail but i enjoyed the fight

 

The guy who said he was leaving the forum because it's full of idiots who dont discuss boxing is complaining about a long, thorough post about boxing.

 

Great post Vidic.

Agree with a lot of what you said. Haye's head movement and speed were excellent. Wlad's pressure, constant jab, speed and defence was air tight.

I do agree with some people's analysis that both fighters were too defensive because I think they both knew that neither could take the other's best punches on a regular basis.

I disagree that Haye landed the best right hands. Look back and see that Wladimir landed a good right in the 2nd, 5th, 6th and I think a few in about the 9th and 12th. Haye if I recall landed only a good one in 3rd and 12th.

Even Adam Booth said that the right landed on Haye in the 6th had an effect on him, as he noticed he started slowing down from then. I would also combine Haye's poor stamina as a reason for this, which is why I was annoyed at Chisora for not avoiding Haye for the last 20 secs after the first knock down in their fight. Despite landing great shots, you could see Haye was growing tired against Chisora and was probably glad it ended when it did.

It was a tactical, tense fight between Wlad and Haye rather than a slug it out battle. Neither fighters wanted the latter. They aren't that type of fighter.

Manny Steward came up with a perfect game plan to "shut him down stylistically" and it worked very well. It was smart.

Booth's plan and tactics were all wrong. It boiled down to "let's hope he makes a mistake so we can land a huge right, wobble him and get him out of there."

When you have a fighter as big, quick, strong and defensive as Wladimir then you must understand the criticism they received after the fight.

And to this day I still believe the toe didn't effect him. It was an excuse. He just couldn't beat the bigger man, who is a smarter fighter. No shame in it really, he just talked a big game and delivered a little one.

As for Vitali, Haye's speed probably would open more opportunities. But despite not having quick feet, Vitali has fast hands (just as quick as Wlad's, but they aren't as powerful)

Vitali would hurt Haye with his punches, and Haye would hate that. You can tell he doesn't like pain of any kind, just look at the two or so good shots Chisora landed on him. He sucked it up well, but his facial complexions completely change. You can tell when he's bothered, whereas Vitali in the times he does get tagged appears fine (except the Lewis cut).

Wlad and Haye are more "one punch KO" kinda guys. Vitali is more "I'll beat you down til you can't take it."

I can't remember who it was that fought both Klitschko's that said something like "Wladimir punches harder, but Vitali hurts you more." (could be wrong about this but I think I read it somewhere - maybe Byrd? Dunno)

Thoughts?