Ancient Champions: Tissandros of Naxos

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  1. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Victor of the Olympia in 572, 568, 564, & 560 BC

    Four time Pythian Champion as well, but I've not found the dates. Pythian Games were held two years after Olympic games so he either started wining them in 574 or 570 BC.

    Pausanius: Naxos was founded in Sicily by the Chalcidians on the Euripus. Of the city not even the ruins are now to be seen, and that the name of Naxos has survived to after ages must be attributed to Tissandros, the son of Cleocritus. He won the boxing-match at Olympia four times. He had the same number of victories at Pytho, but at this time neither the Corinthians nor the Argives kept complete records of the victors at Nemea and the Isthmus.

    Philostratus: Some trained by competing in speed with horses and hares, bending or straightening thick iron plates, or by having themselves yoked with powerful oxen, and, finally by subduing bulls or even lions…. The arms of the boxer Tissandros from Naxos, who swam around the promontories of the island, carried him far out to sea, this training himself and the body.

    According to 1st century historian Diodoras, the tyrant dictator of Syracuse named Dionysius had developed plans growing his influence by force. With the assistance of the Naxos traitor-general Procles the entire region was wiped from this world like excrament from a boot.

    Diodoras: Procles delivered his native city to Dionysius, who, after paying the promised gifts to the traitor and handing over his kinsman, sold the inhabitants into slavery, turned the property over to soldiers to plunder, and razed the walls and the dwellings. Now the territory of the Naxians he gave as a present to the neighboring Siceli.

    Dionysius failed in his attempt at eradicating evidence of Naxian society from history books. Tissandros of Naxos the eight time major title boxing champion permanently remains silently stoic as the pride of an exterminated community.


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  2. escudo

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    Father Zeus, you who rule over the ridges of Atabyrium , grant honor to the hymn ordained in praise of an Olympian victor, and to the man who has found excellence as a boxer, and grant to him honored grace in the eyes of both citizens and strangers. For he walks a straight course on a road that hates arrogance, knowing clearly the sound prophetic wisdom of his good ancestors.

    I have found this quote attributed to Diagoras, not Tissandros. All I really got from this was he used swimming to train himself, which is interesting but I was hoping for something more substantial about the man himself. Thanks for looking for me homie.
     
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    People love talking Tissandros, but everyone looks over Melankomas, just because he was more of a stick and move type of guy.

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    Melankomas, "the one with the black hair", was a boxing champion from the first century AD. His father, another Melankomas, won the Olympic boxing in AD 49 . Melankomas owes his fame mainly to Dio Chrysostomus, who wrote two eulogies on the Carian athlete, who passed away in the prime of his life, around AD 70 .

    Although Melankomas was no doubt a historical athlete, in Dio's eulogy he becomes the ideal image of the perfect athlete. Melankomas was an extremely beautiful athlete. He was even the favourite of the future emperor Titus. Using his special tactics, Melankomas managed to maintain his beauty throughout his boxing career: because of his exceptional condition and endurance he succeeded in keeping his arms up high in defence - in this way he didn't receive any blows on his face, nor gave any, according to the idealized picture of Dio - until his opponent was exhausted and submitted. Melankomas represents both an athletic and philosophical ideal: central in the life of athletes and philosophers stood the virtue of self-control. No earthly pleasure, e.g. food or sex, could stand in the way of their life's purpose, in the case of Melankomas, his achievements in sport. This ascetic ideal was obtained through continuous training and extreme self-discipline.

    Melankomas was also extremely competive. He died during the games at Naples and on his deathbed he asked his friend Athenodoros how many days the games would still continue.
     
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    This is a great resource on some ancient boxers:
    [url]http://ancientolympics.arts.kuleuven.be/eng/TC007bEN.html[/url]

    Talks about how is was normal for families in ancient Greece to have a personal boxing trainer.
    And many homes had heavy bags installed.
    Can't make this stuff up.
     
  5. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know Melankamos and he's not overlooked. He's probably the most famous guy from the Roman era. Never hit, never got hit and never lost. There is a lot of info available about him. But Tissandros is a 4 time champion who we know almost nothing about.
     
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    Has any boxer lived a more roller coaster life than Kleomedes of Astypalaia?


    Kleomedes of Astypalaia had a successful [url]boxing[/url] career in the early fifth century BC. In 496 or 492 BC, however, he killed his opponent at [url]Olympia[/url] by [url]wounding[/url] him badly with a foul blow. Because of this [url]offence[/url] - and not because of the death of his opponent, which was not a punishable act - the [url]hellanodikai[/url] took away his victory.

    Kleomedes became depressed. On his return to Astypalaia he destroyed a school in a flash of insanity. He pulled down the pillar which kept up the roof and this killed all sixty children present. The inhabitants of the city tried to stone him to death, but he hid in the temple of [url]Athena[/url], from where he disappeared miraculously. His confused pursuers consulted the oracle of Delphi and were told that Kleomedes had become a [url]hero[/url]. From that moment onwards he was honoured with sacrifices as befitted his
    new status.
     
  7. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, I'm probably worth about 200 of that websites visits. I loved the rivalry between Euthymos and Theagenes.
     
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  8. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's some Valero/Monzon level crazy.
     
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  9. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I pulled the Pindar quote from Christopher James Shelton's book Boxing in the Time of Christ. I don't mean this in a contest sort of my source is superior sort of way, but I'd be very interested in know who attributed that quote to being about Diagoras. It's no bother if the source is not handy, but I did kind of build my whole post around Tissandros being too popular and too respected to delete.

    It seems to me you're going to have a very hard time given Naxos was obliterated with the explicit intention of removing all record of the society. From here I have no other avenues but phoning museums and the likeness.
     
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  10. Saintpat

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    Those who have seen the films of both say he’d have whipped Greb’s fanny using just one hand.
     
  11. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Give me time lads, I will cover them. There is a lot of conflicting information and weak research floating around online so don't be surprised if both of youse pull perfectly valid sources that claim completely opposite events. That's why I lean on Shelton's work the most. He's a bit of a debunker, which is nice because when you've some knowledge and an author makes a claim counter intuitive to that knowledge it's nice when they have the foresight to address it rather than leaving you guessing which claim is correct.

    I loved reading about all those guys Rez, it's why I do these posts my man. I want other people to know about Euthymos the River God. I love comparing Theaganese to Floyd. Kleomedes always made me pity him. He doesn't seem like a bad guy just a bit of a **** up with a lot of physical gifts. Melankomas claim to going unpointed against is without doubt one of the biggest boasts in all of boxing history. If we could prove that there'd be little argument for goat outside of his.

    Demokrates is the most popular ancient champion I think, if y'all are interested in popularity.

    Thanks for the support guys.
     
  12. escudo

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    [url]http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0162:book=O.:poem=7[/url]

    5 lines from the bottom
     
  13. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Oh I see what happened, this is entirely my fault. CJS's book actually says this:

    The Grecian, Pindar, wrote during the 400’s BCE which offers a sense of Tisander’s fame and popularity: “Father Zeus, you who rule over the ridges of Atabyrium , grant honor to the hymn ordained in praise of an Olympian victor, and to the man who has found excellence as a boxer, and grant to him honored grace in the eyes of both citizens and strangers. For he walks a straight course on a road that hates arrogance, knowing clearly the sound prophetic wisdom of his good ancestors.”

    I didn't read it carefully enough. He's just using Pindar to allude to how popular Tissandros may have been.
     
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  14. escudo

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    It's all good, the others I've had a tough time finding anything on are Labax of Lepreon - 376 BC

    Aristion of Epidauros - 368 BC

    Philammon of Athens - 360 BC