Ancient Greek Boxers an interesting thought.

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  1. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    Hello,

    For those who think boxing has involved greatly since Sullivan. Is it possible that the ancient Greek boxers evolved to the point where they could at least be similar to the modern boxer? Ancient Greek boxing was a sport for a lot longer than modern boxing with gloves or even bare knuckle LPR rules. If you go be from the first glove championship fight in 1892 to now you only have 123 years. Even if you went from the time of Figg till now you'll looking at 296 years. While ancient Greek boxing was a part of the ancient Olympics from 688 BC to 393 AD. That's 1080 years of boxing plenty of time to evolve some very formidable fighters. Any thoughts about this? Could they have been just as good as any modern boxer?

    Just to be clear the main question is this, Is it possible that the ancient Greek boxers evolved to the point where they could be similar or even superior to the modern boxer?

    Thank You.
     
  2. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes. They could very well have been better than modern era fighters.
     
  3. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    That's what I think as well. Would be interesting to have seen them in action. Some of those stories of them sound pretty epic!
     
  4. BCS8

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    Given that the ancient Greeks extolled physical fitness and the benefits of a hard life (some even fanatically by modern standards if we look at the Spartans) I don't see why not. Imagine what the boxing scene would look like if all youngsters were encouraged to compete in physical combat from a young age. I'd venture to say that with a few exceptions you'd have an entirely new bunch of world champions even better than the old ones, simply because drawing on a base 1000 times larger than the current one has to yield up better athletes.

    Then again, the primes of the Greek boxers were probably pretty short. They used rawhide strips on their knuckles which I guess would have cut up faces a great deal and shortened the duration of a given fighter's stay at the top by a lot.
     
  5. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    lol at deathray,,,

    interesting post :think

    you would think over a few hundred years and lots of competition there would of been some amazing Greek boxers.

    wonder what the average size of the people were at that stage?
     
  6. BCS8

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    Compared to us, small.

    We've got all kinds of dodgy hormones in our food that makes us bigger than people who eat more naturally. But this is off the top of my head. I could try find out ...
     
  7. BCS8

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    Apparently measuring skeletal remains at Pompeii and Herculaneum yielded up an average height for men of around 1,68m for ancient Romans. AFAIK the peoples were probably pretty similar.
     
  8. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The title fragmented 325 ways; ωβα, ιβζ, λπο, Ωθξ, and so on with 250 weight classes, the whole thing imploded when every boxer had a world title.
     
  9. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So basically Gladiator showed have starred Midgets..... :rofl:rofl
     
  10. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    so maybe the old greeks produced some legendary flyweights :bbb
     
  11. BCS8

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    According to wikipedia, these were the rules:

    No holds or wrestling
    Any type of blow with the hand was allowed but no gouging with the fingers
    No ring was used
    There were no rounds or time limits
    Victory was decided when one fighter gave up or was incapacitated
    No weight-classes, opponents were selected by chance
    Judges enforced the rules by beating offenders with a switch or whip
    Fighters could opt to exchange blows undefended if the fight lasted too long


    LOL, that's the problem with modern boxing. The refs don't have whips anymore!
     
  12. Pete47

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  13. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    I've got a book on Greek Pankration, it's a pretty complete fighting system and the root of western boxing and wrestling, also submissions are a big part of it.
     
  14. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    For the size of ancient Greeks I'm sure they were smaller but since the athletes trained hard and ate good food would've probably been bigger. From what I've read they were probably between 170 - 200 pounds. Some I'm sure were much bigger. In a book about pankration I have it says one of the ancient athletes was 7 feet tall and 400 pounds!
     
  15. Reason123

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