And just another proof how underrated wilder is...

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  1. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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  2. Loudon

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    Yes, Arreola had been out of the ring for longer. That’s a good point. But he was highly motivated for this fight. It could even have been the final fight of his career. If not, I’m sure that he’ll retire very soon. So it was a last hurrah. Whereas for Ruiz, it was more of a tune up. He’s still got a decent career ahead of him. We both know that a fighter’s mindset plays a huge role in a fighter’s performance and the outcome of a fight. We’ve seen many examples throughout the years.

    The result doesn’t really prove anything.

    It’s not relevant that Wilder knocked out Arreola early.

    How is that proof of anything?

    I could say that it took Wilder 9 rounds to knock out Eric Molina, yet Joshua did it in just 3 rounds.

    You could then come back and say that Wilder beat Brazeale quicker.

    It means nothing.

    Anybody can spin the stats in order for it to reflect what they want it to.

    Hopefully, Wilder can resurrect his career and he’ll be able to fight Joshua at some point.
     
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  3. Loudon

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    He wasn’t addicted to it. He was in a self destruct phase.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    Is this aimed at Wilder, you since it was him who brought up the costume?
     
  5. Loudon

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    We’ve seen many of these types of fights throughout the years.

    It was a tune up and he suffered a bad cut.

    He did what had to be done.
     
  6. Loudon

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    Wilder can change any fight with one punch. But if he can’t land the punch, he’s extremely vulnerable. Fury has proven that.

    Joshua can win fights on points. He has skills to fall back on.

    Saying that Wilder doesn’t/didn’t care about winning rounds due relying on his power, is the exact reason he’s had so much time out of the ring. That loss to Fury has damaged him psychologically and now he’s got to go away and regroup.

    Any fighter who only relies on his power can’t be classed as one of the top 2 HW’s in the world.
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    I think you can most certainly derive something from the fact that Wilder, giving up 20 pounds and suffering from a torn bicep and a broken hand (that both required surgeries to repair), still managed to floor and stop Arreola ...

    While Ruiz, who showed up in the best shape of his career and had a 30-pound advantage over Arreola, still managed to get bounced off the floor by Arreola and had to box his way to a decision because he worried about getting stopped.

    Just like you can certainly derive something from the fact that Wilder, giving up eight pounds to Liakhovich, knocked out Sergei in one round and left him convulsing on the floor, and Ruiz, with a 37-pound weight advantage, went 10 rounds with Liakhovich and appeared to get a lop-sided decision he in now way deserved.

    Just like you can derive something from the fact that Wilder fought them both first and wiped them both out, and Arreola fought them both years later with every advantagae and not only couldn't put EITHER of them down but the decisions in his favor were criticized.

    There's no 'spinning' anything.

    People say "the triangle theory doesn't always work in boxing" ... but sometimes it works just fine.

    Wilder destroys Andy Ruiz if they meet this year, like Joshua should've done in three the first time they fought.
     
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  8. Loudon

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    The opening line of your post made me laugh out loud.
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    Wilder has been out of the ring as long as Fury. (LOL) There was this thing called COVID. You may have heard of it. (Rolls eyes) Not to mention a contract dispute between the two.
     
  10. Loudon

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    Fury was hoping for a tune up before negotiations with Joshua’s team.

    Wilder has nothing in the pipeline and looks to me as though he’s been completely deflated by the loss to Fury.

    From the interviews that I’ve seen, he doesn’t look in a good place.

    Hopefully, he’ll be back in the mix soon.

    You can talk about bicep surgery etc, but the truth is, he was exposed.

    If you can take away his power, it leaves him extremely vulnerable.

    If like someone has suggested, that he really went into his fights not caring about winning rounds due to possessing his great power, then that just shows how ignorant he is.
     
  11. Dubblechin

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    Wilder has Fury in the pipeline. Haven't you been paying attention? They were signed to fight ALL LAST YEAR. Their fight was pushed back to 2021 by network execs waiting for COVID to subside LAST YEAR. There are a thousand links on that.

    Even if they get a deal together for Fury-Joshua, it will be after the third fight with Wilder.

    Wilder-Fury III is next.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    Dude, EVERY fighter with a torn bicep is vulnerable. That's why most fights with a torn bicep are stopped.

    They don't usually end with the guy with the torn bicep scoring a stoppage win.

    Think Anthony Joshua could win a fight with a torn bicep or a broken right hand or BOTH (as was the case in Wilder-Arreola)?

    Hell, Joshua quit when Ruiz wouldn't stay down. There was nothing at all wrong with Joshua other than he was embarrassed in front of everyone who came out to see him at Madison Square Garden.

    He was up in the ring smiling grabbing the mic trying to talk to the audience. He wasn't headed to the hospital for surgery.
     
  13. Loudon

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    It doesn’t mean anything.

    It’s just a fan trying to convince himself of something. And as if that one specific result against Arreola proves anything.

    Wilder hasn’t proven to me that he’s a better overall HW than Joshua.

    Regarding Ruiz, even if Wilder smashed all of Ruiz’ opponents in more emphatic fashion, it doesn’t mean that Wilder would definitely beat Ruiz.

    Why was Ruiz in the best shape of his career last night? Based on what? He’s been lighter than he was last night. He’d not fought in a while. It was more of a keep busy fight for him, then a last hurrah that it probably was for Arreola. That wasn’t the best version of Andy Ruiz we’ve seen.
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Andy Ruiz has had 36 pro fights, and that fight Saturday was pretty much what Andy Ruiz fights look like if you watch more than the first Joshua fight.

    The first Joshua fight was the outlier.
     
  15. Loudon

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    Wilder doesn’t want to be going anywhere near Fury after their previous fight.

    As a fan of his, you should be praying that he has a keep busy fight beforehand.

    As soon negotiations started to take place with Joshua and Fury, he should have been lining up someone for himself.

    There’s no point sitting on the step-aside money and then awaiting the winner.

    Sure, he’ll get paid handsomely for waiting, but it’s going to affect his chances in the fight.

    His bank balance will be bigger, but he’ll not be in the best possible shape for the fight. He’ll be coming off of a bad loss and he’ll have been inactive a very long time by the time of the fight. Realistically, if he takes the money, the fight is going to be at the end of this year, if not early next year. IMHO, that won’t be good for him.
     
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