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I think he was on the wind up there, bud.

imo you should be able to see if a fighter is good, has some chops and is making good moves even if what he's doing is being nullified and he's getting more or less dominated imo.

Sure sometimes you'll get an early KO or something that doesn't do a fighter justice or someone with a deceiving style, but usually i reckon any experienced boxing fan should be able to tell if a fighter doesn't have much about him...especially if they are following the division and can see more than one bout of the fighters in question.

This is just speaking in general, not related to Lopez btw.I ****ing hate midgets

 

If Netrnoi Sor Vorasingh or Pascual Perez had been around in Lopez's time and he'd beat them just as well, then we're talking good midget scalps.

Lopez Vs Arbachakov would've convinced me. In fact, it's knowing full well Lopez was an incredible fighter that grates me the most. He looked to be the perfect specimen...for Flyweight.

No inside game though ;-)

Straw is just a nothing division for me, a feeder league to light fly (which in itself isn't a patch on Flyweight, one of my favourite divisions historically)

 

See Alex Ramos. I honestly thought this guy was going to be the next MW champ based on how he looked against more experienced fighters with very good records...then ...Sanders

 

I think what lora is saying is you can tell my looking at Lopez's opponents that Lopez dominating them was not just because he was amazing (which he was) but they weren't up to much. He goes on to say this isn't a criticism that can be laid on Lopez only.

I think

 

Most of his opponents I only saw against him, so it's hard for me to judge their merit, or the level of competion they provided, but that is often the case with fighters who dominate a division over a period of years.

Sometimes, it seems to be the case that a lot of fighters who might be great competition leave a division to avoid such a fighter, thus leaving the fighter in the "he never fought any other great fighters" catagory.

 

As to the LittleRed post you quoted a few posts back, that's the stance that is pretty ludicrous to take. Especially considering Lopez was a massive straw and clearly wouldn't have been too stressed out cutting a few lbs less if he wanted bigger challenges.

My opinion is, whether Carbajal ducked Lopez or not, Lopez can't get credit for fighting him.

 

As to your post about 'when someone is so dominant it makes everyone else seem like 'no one' did Marciano beating Charles, Moore and Walcott make them seek like nobodies? Monzon beating Griffith, Benvenuti and Valdez make them inconsequential fighters?

Sorjoratung, Ohashi, Alvarez and a few others were damn good fighters (not great) and Lopez also fought some very tough guys. What I'm saying is, like Floyd, Lopez didn't do anything wrong, he had a stellar career. He was amazing to watch, and deadly. Even Joe Calzaghe had Hopkins. Jeff Lacy is a classic Lopez-esque opponent IMO. You can go back and say 'he was hyped' but actually watch him against Reid, Pemberton et al and he wasn't all that, the hype was unjustified.

So Lopez may well have 'unified' and whatnot, but against who, and what did they do before/afterwards? Not much.

But there are a lot of fighters who have beaten far better opposition.

 

I'm not trying to give extra credit to anyone for what they didn't do, but in fairness, it's equally wrong to take credit away for the same reason, which was really my point.
No one downgrades Monzon because he didn't win titles at other weights...ditto for many great fighters.

 

Seriously???

 

Monzon wasn't utilising 24 hour rehydration periods either :good

 

I can't find ANY full Greb fights. Where would you go to get this fight?

 

No Greb fight footage has survived.

 

likely but i can still dream jacobs had it

 

True (as far as anyone knows), but at 6' (sorry 5'11 1/2"), and with a 76" reach, mostly do to immensly broad shoulders, he could easily have carried enough weight to move up one division. He didn't, and I don't downgrade him for that, and I don't think most anyone else does either.

Many other great fighters never won titles in other weight divisions (Kid Gailan comes to mind, although he did try), but are not downgraded because of it.
's all I'm saying.....

 

Gavilan.
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