And people thought Lara was a big threat to Mayweather and Canelo LMAO

comparing a guy(angulo) that was on his way to throwing 900 punches(with a 75 percent ko ratio) to a guy that can only throw 430 with no proven one-punch power(canelito).

esb forums.

 

Could have but it didn't. I understand there is a reason. The Cubans have a great program. That is all the more reason why Mayweather is special. You have never Boxed and are probably just a hyped up Cuban.

Mayweather's career wasn't/isn't managed. Castillo was ten times tougher than that version of Angulo and Mayweather looked better than Lara. Sugar Ray Leonard, the same Sugar Ray who was smashing out Cubans in the Olympics said Mayweather is a great. So we should believe you? It looks like you don't know Boxing.

Mayweather > Aragon > Lara :deal

 

so youre saying that if a fighter has the right style, he can tag any fighter no matter how slow he throws his punches. yeah, that sounds like it would hold up in the ring.

 

I like Rigo too, but this dude has ONE good win. The same Rigo who was almost knocked down by a JAB. Better than Mayweather? Right.

You are blind.

 

big cuban fan here...but lets get real . Floyd is the best boxer of his generation.

 

Yes this is correct.

Speed is taken off the table when you close on a guy and force him into exhaustion. Pressure fighters have done it since the dawn of Boxing. The problem is that most modern Brawlers/Pressure fighters have HORRIBLE footwork and even worse defense.

Angulo with the help of Hill showed the lost art of Pressure fighting. Had his defense been a little better or Lara a little less skilled, this fight would have turned out differently. Hats off to both men. Lara proved he is among the elite.

 

You are sick of arguing because you are wrong. The amateur careers show it. The pro careers show it. The KO percentages show it.

You will get a lot of **** because you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Lara was getting caught with looping hooks and falling. Mayweather has never looked like that.

You have been Boxing too long. Maybe to the point you can't tell what the hell you are looking at. Just remember:

Mayweather > Aragon > Lara :deal

 

Right?!? I am a HUGE fan of Lara. I was his ONLY vocal fan in the stands. I was willing to put it on the line for Lara because I am such a huge supporter.:bbb

This guy is just nuts though.:bart

 

i disagree. if that were the case, fighters with no ko power would never beat a pressure fighter. a skilled boxer would know how to deal with a pressure fighter, especially one that is as slow and lead footed as angulo. the whole sport of boxing is based on this premise.

 

I did pick Donaire to beat him. I didn't expect Donaire to be so basic trying to sharpshoot the head of a Master Boxer. Donaire proved to be much less intelligent than I imagined. He says it was injuries, but I don't think so. Rigo is just levels beyond. It was a great win for Rigo.

BS Rigo is better than Mayweather. His jab is non-existent. He punches with his head in the air. He ****s back shots. His chin is beyond questionable. He does the Cuban shuffle when things get tough.

If he is better, tell him to keep achieving. I believe in him and want to see him work as well. He is barely fighting though. If Rigo is what you say he is, time to defend that strap or hop up a division and get that money fighting Mares.

You are done because I am smacking your ass. :yep

 

You aren't making sense. Master Boxers go into those fights heavily favored. They are supposed to win power or not. Their skill set is better. What we are saying here is how does a guy with a lesser skill set and natural attributes give himself a chance to beat a BETTER Boxer? Also, did Angulo do those things?

Using your position, Pressure fighters could never beat Pure Boxers. They do. How? They usually aren't faster. They usually don't have as good footwork. They don't have as sharp offense. So how do they win? RELENTLESS pressure which creates opportunities for their less refined offense to land. They also have the power edge.

Guys can't pull it off these days because they have crap footwork for pressure fighting, i.e., they can't cut off a ring and follow rather than track guys down forcing exchanges.

Ali/Frazier
Taylor/Chavez
Mayweather/Castillo I

Where any of these guys more skilled? No. They gave themselves the chance to win through pressure. When you Box you eventually meet a guy who is faster, smarter, and better skilled. The only way to win is via pressure. Pressure bursts pipes.

 

You don't have a clue. You ain't even reading what I type. I think Lara could beat Mayweather, but ONLY due to size. If they were the same size? Mayweather wins.

Mayweather > Aragon > Lara

First I haven't Boxed. Now it is the level? STFU. You are punch drunk. I ain't trolling anything. I told you EXACTLY why Lara isn't on Mayweather's level. I am a huge Lara fan and believe in his skills. You are just too damned stupid to understand.

 

frazier, chavez and castillo were very skilled boxers who knew how to apply pressure. we are talking about an angulo who has never sniffed the top of any divison, is much slower and far less skilled than the guys you mentioned.
aside from throwing a lot of slow punches, what exactly did you see in angulo that would lead you to believe he could beat the king of his division?

 

I agree. I thought Angulo was a total bum who I gave no chance. Hell, I feel he is shot from the standpoint of his punching and chin. With that said though, his footwork in this fight was insanely effective. It created opportunity for those horrible punches he was throwing. Without the exhaustion, none of that crap posed an issue for Lara. Looking how he performed post KD, I really feel Lara was collapsing from exhaustion and the punches screwing up his footing more than the power.

I saw nothing that would say Angulo cold be the king of the division. The ONLY thing from Angulo I saw that impressed me was the footwork. It was the type of performance that changes a Pure Boxer and keeps the division in turmoil. It was a fight that reawakened the lost art. These Mexicans need to get up to Hill ASAP.

Lara schools Kirkland, Canelo, etc... Kirkland still blasts Angulo out. Does Lara, post Angulo, reign over the division like that? I don't know. Angulo took him to a dark place. We may have seen the birth of Lara's greatness or his breaking point.

 

that is what i am having trouble comprehending from so many so called knowledgable posters. we all knew angulo was no real threat to the top dogs in the division way before this fight. he has power and volume, but little else. now, he happens to get beat by lara, like everyone expected, but he was better than before because lara couldnt stay on his feet against him? NO.
this fight does not say anything about angulo, it says something about lara.