Anderson just another hype job crushed

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  1. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Not necessarily - they believed he was better than he was, and they tried to prove it.

    It's nice to see fighters backed to succeed instead of wrapped in cotton wool and hidden from challenges.

    He didn't pass the gatekeeper test - it doesn't mean he's done, necessarily, but it means he can't be shuffled towards a belt by knocking out cans with a protected zero.

    Maybe he'll improve, maybe this will help him improve... Or maybe he's the latest Pricey and will go not a single step further.

    We'll see.
     
  2. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Hate is a strong word :lol:

    I hate seeing prospects overhyped when they've proved very little.

    I don't hate the fighters, I hate the hype narratives.
     
  3. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    "Maybe Anderson can use this set back to learn and improve in the next year or two. Personally I think it's better he have the set back earlier in his career when he is younger and more likely to make changes rather than when he's much older and perhaps too old to change."

    That was some set back though, he took a major battering.

    Everyone knows Bakole is an animal. People behind the scenes, media, trainers, sparring partners. Anderson's team definitely would know. When Bakole’s name comes up in interviews the whole mood changes like someone sucked the air out of the room.

    I’m not an Anderson fan but his team rolled the dice way too early in my opinion.
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    But it´s true. A prospect can´t be proven by the definition of the word, yet any time a heavyweight gets hyped they get lambasted here.
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think he was a due a step up, but Bakole wasn't the right man to do that against. So I'd say it was a miscalculation for sure.

    I suspect they hoped to see a 300lbs Bakole again and they could out work him. But Bakole was a bad style match up for sure and was in better shape, not good shape, but better than the version vs Takam.

    This fight shows what a waste of talent Hunter has become. While Bakole is better than he was, he hasn't improved so much that I'd pick him to beat the version of Hunter he faced and Anderson is not on Hunters level, just as good an athlete perhaps but his skills are lacking.

    I'm personally not sold on Bakole, he's good but I don't see him as a top contender. Beating hype jobs in Yoka and Anderson were impressive but he's yet to show us he can actually compete with anyone in the top 10 and his lack of fitness and tendency to gas will likely cost him at a higher level. Hopefully he gets a shot at one of the top guys like Parker, Zhang or maybe Kabayel, it's long overdue.
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    This is a nice post
    I thought Anderson was really brave and constantly trying to fight back

    With the protected argument - I can see both sides of what is being said and think I could give a bit of an explanation where the possible misunderstanding comes from

    I think part of the issue is that for the last 15 years or so, fans have been able to watch smaller boxing shows in other countries and are seeing how British HWs get stepped up very quickly and often have alot more big fight pressure early on especially with the prestige of the British title, which is massive in the UK but means nothing abroad.
    I have felt before that it can damage a career before it even starts

    For example
    In their first 18 fights

    Chisora had fought
    - undefeated Helenius
    - undefeated Fury
    - Vitali Klitschko
    - Sexton
    - Williams


    Dubois had fought
    - undefeated Joyce
    - undefeated Gorman

    Fury had fought
    - undefeated Chisora
    - Rogan
    - McDermott

    Joyce had fought
    - undefeated Dubois
    - Zhang
    - Parker
    - Takam
    - Jennings

    Joshua had fought
    - undefeated Martin
    - undefeated Whyte
    - undefeated Breazeale

    Just look at the massive fight Frazer Clarke had for the British title in only his 9th fight


    These are just examples above but those fights were big pressure fights at the time and some of the above fights were also when some of the said fighters were in their 20s
     
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  7. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    "I'm personally not sold on Bakole, he's good but I don't see him as a top contender."

    He'll struggle with durable movers who can fight effectively at range when they need to.

    I think he'd be extremely competitive against the likes of Parker, Zhang, Hrgovic, Joyce, Whyte, Chisora and Miller.
     
  8. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Pleased for Bakole to get a big win on such a big card

    Did think it was mental match making from Anderson’s team voluntarily taking such a fight lol but fair play, this is what we want to continue to seeing in boxing… good fights!

    Hopefully this will be a big boost to Bakole’s career now and he’ll get some big opportunities off the back of it
     
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  9. Beale

    Beale Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Credit to Anderson for taking such a dangerous fight against the avoided Bakole at 24 years of age.

    Matchroom's axis of mediocrity; Whyte, Joshua and Chisora have been kept well away by Eddie Hearn.
     
  10. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's still young but he was never more than just a prospect so there was never a guarantee he'd reach the top anyway. He could be still 6 years off his prime so time is still on his side for massive improvments. Things can change very fast in boxing. It wasn't that long ago that Price and Helenius while coming through with Wilder and Fury looked miles ahead of those. We all know how that ended up.
     
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  11. Themessiah

    Themessiah El Jefe Full Member

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    It’s his matchmakers fault lol, anyone on here who watched heavyweight boxing knew Bakole would stop him
     
  12. Soi Six

    Soi Six daddy, daddy cool, daddy, daddy cool banned Full Member

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    Clichéd, bud. You're looking for the adjective, not the noun. Americans make this mistake a lot, so you might be American. It's like all of the Americans who say "I could care less". No, it's "I couldn't care less".

    Anderson is poor. Maybe he should go back to getting more tattoos, getting his teeth done, and all of that other metrosexual tripe.
     
  13. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    He just figure someone too good, **** happens
     
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  14. Soi Six

    Soi Six daddy, daddy cool, daddy, daddy cool banned Full Member

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    That wasn't the consensus. Many thought that Price was a hypejob, and I can't remember anyone championing Helenius that much. He was always a Euro-level, stiff plodder. Fury was always the star; it's just that some couldn't or didn't want to see it.

    Anderson is hopeless.
     
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  15. Sonny1

    Sonny1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m not so sure about that. Let’s both revisit this post in 3 years time and see who is right. Keep well :).