Andrade: "I did not leave the neutral corner!"

:rofl - good and witty post at the same time, Realizm.

 

I get it; you are sad Bute wasn't robbed by the referee.

 

fail. and any future post on the matter also = fail

 

so this is the way you want your guy to win win..? because of the fact andrade stood 2 m from the neutral corner.. if your so hung up on such small small issues, then the sport of boxing is dead..

yeah the rules says alot of things.. you cant say abusive things in the ring.. oopppss who did that.. was it ali..?

you cant headbutt either, so perhaps we should go back in time to dq holyfield in a the majority of his wins.. and the list goes on and on..

your nitpicking of the rules in this case is pitifull, really really pitiful, and im not saying this to be derogatory(bad spelling?), but its just plain sad, that surviving and winning a fight is based upon a fighter not standing in the neutral corner..

 

Great post:happy :good

 

At what point was Kessler totally out of it, and hanging endlessly on Calzaghe to survive?

This is nothing about me wanting to have Andrade win - he didn't - and I am over that part. Had round 12 never happened - I would just have commented the refs obvious bias in the fight, and then congratulate Bute, and as I have stated elsewhere(and still feel), that Andrade only have himself to blame.

The part I am not over, is the fact that in the refs search to aid Bute, he put his wellbeing at risk. You don't want to acknowledge this part, because it ended well for you fighter. Fact is that Bute in the last 30 secs was on the brink of getting KO'd. Three or four times in this period of time before the KD, Bute was being punished and only pure will and Andrades inprecise finishing prevented Bute from a trip to the hospital or a severe knockout.

0:29 left: he is hurt repeatedly, but manages to clinch, ref tries to separate them.
Immediately after, Bute is hurt again - once again he is near KO, and once again survives utter KO and leans facefront over the ropes. Done from exhaustion. This lasts about 6-7 secs, where Bute has a life and death fight not to be KO'd
3 secs later, remote corner, after Bute has run away from Andrade, and Librado runs after him. Bute is helpless leaning on the corner post, and the Mexican charges in, but doesn't hit cleanly. Bute staggers (almost falling) to the next corner post, and gets hit and down he goes.

If you don't think that 30 secs of punishment were you are on the brink of KO, constantly staggering, holding, and then finally get put on your ass, is not viable for stoppage, then I can only say - I am glad you are not a referee.

But you are right, there is nothing within the rules that prevents a ref, to be irresponsible. Just like when Larry Holmes was lying on the ropes and was out of it, only to receive further onslaught from the hands of Tyson way beyond reasonable.

But I get it, stopping the fight would be robbing a non-fighting Bute, that hadn't thrown a punch in return in over a minute, a win.


Good call, Decebal.

 

Yea that Kessler-Calzaghe comparison was another monstrous fail:deal

 

You have already conceded in your previous response to me that Bute would have lost by KO had Andrade had a few more seconds to finish him, yet knowing that, you wouldn't classify him as "badly hurt?" "At all?" He fell down because he got badly cracked by a vicious Andrade shot. Not "exhaustion" Maybe he got hit by it because of exhaustion, or maybe it was because of the other shots Andrade cracked him with and maybe those were available to Andrade because of Bute's exhaustion but maybe that was caused by Andrade's pressure. It reads like you are trying to take away something from Andrade's performance here, what you call exhaustion I call a heroic 12th round comeback. I think it is fair to say that most refs would have stopped this fight sooner, even somebody like Steve Smoger who tend to go with action first and caution second. A ref I like. I didn't see any time in the fight where Andrade was in serious danger of it being stopped.

So my question is, how can you classify a guy that you yourself say wouldn't have lasted even a few more seconds in the fight, as not at all badly hurt???

 

That picture just shows that L;ibrado was really out of the corner,Bute got up.No controversy.Bute won

 

If I had a dollar for everytime since the fight that you've changed your mind I could fly out to Romania for the Branco fight!!

 

Wait a second here. How can you agree, which you did, that Bute would have been knocked out by Andrade if the fight had gone on for a few seconds more, and at the same time say he was "clearly in a position to fight?"

If you are so convinced of the latter, how can you be convinced of the former as well? I think the answer is because the latter is totally false. Even you concede that Bute would have been knocked out had the fight gone for a few seconds more. Why are you and I both so sure of that? Because, clearly, he was in no position to fight, he was badly hurt, he could no longer defend himself intelligently, and he was a goner in every sense of the word. He hadn't been able to defend himself intelligently for awhile.

Even though I can see the thing as a Bute win, going by the rules, but still a moral victory for Andrade, I think the ref, had it been reversed, and it was Andrade fighting to survive and Bute hammering away, surely the ref would have stopped it.

You can say the ref was going by the book, but to me, I still think the ref was looking for a way to disrupt the count out of bias, not technical fairness, because it ruins the spirit of the match to disrupt such an important moment of a fight because Andrade wasn't all the way in his corner - it wasn't like he was standing over the count waiting to get a shot in, he was still by the ropes on the other side, however I will grant you that it may be irrelevant to the outcome considering Bute beat the realtime count anyways.

 

Nevermind those important facts. Bute won no controversyatsch

 

Nope,just changed my mind once,after I saw it live I thought Andrade was robbed but after I got the fight and watched it and saw the video on here with Andrade leaving the corner it is clear it was ok.Hope you come for the Branco fight anyway :good

 

Any new news in regards to the Diaconu-Branco fight? I heard they were moving it to Italy

 

Check the Diaconu train,I updated it with anything in the romanian press.The fight will be in Romania:good