Andrade v. Dawson at 168 - who wins and why?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Dawson was posed these exact stylistic questions by Glen Johnson, who if we are being serious is a level above Andrade. I don't see any reason not to predict a slightly wider Dawson decision with that in mind

    Not sold completely on Dawson's chin though, not at all, so there is always a slight worry there. I doubt Andrade has the speed to land something big.
     
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    If Dawson is drained and not healthy, Andrade by KO.

    If Dawson transfers well, then a shutout or near shutout UD over Andrade. Possibly could lose a few rounds though on Andrade activity.

    Pressure seems to unhinge Dawson, but Johnson is much more skilled and seasoned than Andrade.
     
  4. Ring Master

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  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I wouldn't underrate Andrade in this one, for two reasons: Dawson tends to lose the plot and stand his ground, trading; also, his chin is not the best and he does get hit. If he does that against Andrade, he can go under, quite easily. Of coure, if he fights intelligently, as he is very capable of doing, physically, he can win a wide UD. Big IF, though, with Dawson.

    No?
     
  6. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Andrade has one chance, that's for a drained Dawson. He's not as schooled as Johnson, nor as experienced and Dawson would have learned from that bout anyway.

    I don't get where assuming that we have a healthy Dawson, Bute is to be favoured over Andrade and Dawson is a big ? mark when Dawson has all of the tools to effectively outbox him and Bute doesn't. Dawson also has some underrated pop in his punches, with precise combo's that will make Andrade think twice.

    Andrade can maybe do a little bit, do better than he did against Mikkel, but he will lose to any version of Dawson other than a drained one. This is common sense, I know you really don't like Chad Dawson, but come on now.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Forget Drained Dawson. Dawson is a natural SMW; he comes into the training camp at 172 lbs. He would make 168 more easily than Bute, Kessler, Calzaghe. The difference between Bute and Dawson in this matchup is that Bute doesn't lose the plot and trade. Yeah, Dawson is faster and more smooth, but his chin is worse and he trades when he shouldn't. If you trade with Andrade, you go down unless you have the power to really hurt him. Dawson certainly doesn't have that power (neither does Bute)
     
  8. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why is Andrade even considered an interesting opponent to consider in fantasy fights? What has he achieved except being dominated by Kessler?
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Dawson's got more power than Bute in my opinion, judging that off of titanium jawed Johnson, who's only KD out of the excellent comp he fought was a slip really, is not a measure of it. Nobody can really KO Johnson, he's just one of those guys.

    Dawson lacks defence, but Andrade's not the one to capitalise on it and Bute really lacks defence.

    Dawson would have dispatched a limited, soft jawed slugger like Berrio in 2-3 rounds, making it look easy. He's actually a really good fighter with tons of potential and at least they have his style down to where it should be.

    Now if it's Kessler/Dawson, obviously Dawson will become unglued with Kessler's timing and skill, but not Andrade.
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Interesting style match-up. Andrade, whatever anyone might say, is top 5 at SMW, so he's a player, just like Dawson. There aren't that many LHW to match Dawson against...and he is considering moving down to SMW.
     
  11. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Dawson would take a wide UD. Even now, he is not a fully mature LHW, so making 168 wouldn't be a problem at all.

    Andrade is a very tough and steady opponent, but he doesn't have the offensive prowess to stop Dawson. And Chad has plenty of ways he can attack Andrade.

    Agreed that Chad has a poor defense and has fought unintelligently at times, but I don't suspect Andrade is the person to make him pay for that.
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Andrade is great at making you rumble with him. Dawson is great at falling into another man's game-plan, particularly when that involves him getting into a rumble. It's not obvious that Dawson loses, certainly, but neither is it obvious he beats Andrade, IMO. I give Andrade about the same chance I give him against Bute, but for different reasons.
     
  13. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Dawson makes supermiddle without any problems then he beats Andrade by a very wide decision. 10-2 or something close to it. This fight has no appeal.
     
  14. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even a drained Dawson boxes Andrade's ears off, this one would not be close.

    Dawson is a P4P level talent, Andrade is an also-ran in what has now become a very weak division.
     
  15. LockDog387

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    Johnson was also the first fighter to ever pressure Dawson from round to round, which is why he fell into Johnson's gameplan and still managed to pull out a close fight. In other words Dawson is inexperienced. Had he been more experienced he would of handled Johnson's pressure better. Now that Dawson is more experienced, I expect him to handle pressure more better. Luckily for Dawson Diaconu doesn't bring that type of pressure and gives way too much room for his opponents to box, which is one of Diaconu's weakness. And Dawson will box Andrea's head off just like what he did to Epifano Mendoza, watch the fight on youtube and that's exactly how the fight will look like, minus the KO.