Berto by KO, Cintron just doesn't have it IMO. BTW I,m not sold on Berto but he is definetly better than Cintron.
Hahaha...I seriously doubt it. Cintron has destroyed nearly everyone he has faced with the exception of Margarito. I highly doubt Berto would last more than 4 with Margarito. Cintron would take him out. Rodriguez, a club fighter with average power managed to land some clean right hands, now if Kermit landed those same punches it would be lights out for Berto. Cintron on the other hand redeemed himself against Margarito, in the sense that he took a tremendous amount of punishment before finally going down. Berto has nowhere near the tenacity or offensive arsenal of Margarito, nor the chin or toughness. Berto is still to raw and I would pick Clottey, SSM, Margarito, Cotto, Collazo, Cintron, Quintana, Williams and Judah over him. Reality is that a fight with an Richar Guttierez, Alfonso Gomez, Ishe Smith type of fighter would be his stiffest test to date and that speaks volumes of where he is right now.
At this point, I'll go with Cintron. There isn't anyone on Berto's resume that would trouble Cintron, so try to keep that into perspective. Doubt many will.
How can you post this: After posting this? :huh You haven't made a single point, nor posted a legit reason as to why you think Berto DESTROYS Cintron. Cintron's busted up guys who are more proven them Berto already. Basically, Berto is where Cintron was pre-Teddy Reid in terms of resume or level of opposition. He might have a belt already, but lets keep into perspective WHO he beat, and how it came about. THis isn't to rag on Berto, as I like him a lot and see a very bright future. But he's only fought guys who were there to lose. Stepping up fromthat type of comp to guys who can KO you is a HUGE jump. Most of the posts like yours in this thread are basically a "Who do you like more" not an actual assessment of two fighters if they met. That's at least pretty clear.
David Estrada gave Cintron a heap of trouble. They had a life and death war with each other. Apart from that, who has Cintron beat that would trouble Berto? I don't agree with the logic behind this post at all regardless. Fights should be looked at by analyzing styles, talent, attributes and prior performance. Not by just looking at who the biggest win is.
Your right on the money I guess they refuse to be Cotto fans so they'll gravitate to Andre Berto that is until he loses.
For starters, the Teddy Reid Cintron beat would be a live dog vs. Berto at this point. He might even beat him. Reid can punch with the best pof them. Walter Mattysse was a very respected prospect at one point as well, just as Berto is now. Look what Cintron did to him. I wil say Berto's progressed more then Mattyyse though. ANd I wasn't applying that logic to my post MSTR. That post was to show a little as to WHY Berto has looked so go. Analyzing fights should take past opponents as well as take their styles into consideration. If Cintron fought only Berto's opponents, he'd still be undefeated and most posters here would probably be all over him as well. It just seems to me Cintron's losses to Margarito mean more then any of Berto's wins to some of these posters. I don't hold you in that category, as you are one of the few good posters still around. I just think Berto still needs some seasoning before he become another "rushed too soon" type of fighters.
I don't agree that Reid would be a live under dog. He got knocked out by Ben Tackie in 5 prior to the Cintron fight. Berto is far more dangerous than Tackie, and far more fluid with his punches than Cintron was at that stage of his career. Walter Mattysse also was never anything special. He had beaten a bunch of nobodies, and had already been totally annihilated by Paul Williams. Furthermore, he has since the Cintron fight being startched by Lujan, showing that he certainly isn't clost to being in the same class of fighter as Berto. Cintron probably would still be undefeated yes had he only fought Berto's comp. However that doesn't make Cintron a better fighter, merely shows that Berto is still a developing prospect, who is now ready to start taking on genuine top 10 guys at welterweight. Berto has never faced a fighter of Marg's calibre, so i do agree with you that it is unfair to point to that as a reason for being beaten by Berto. Still, looking at the way they fight, i think Berto has a clear edge. Berto has more speed, better boxing ability, great power and excellent strength. I think it is still a risky fight for Berto, because of his leaky defence at times, and the power of Cintron. Realistically, Cintron could still take this if Berto gets lazy. Watching Berto in his past few performances though, i have been much more impressed. He is really improving each time out, and is looking like a real contender in the welterweight division. I agree that he needs to take his time, and work his way up, much like Cotto and others have done. Still, based on his recent outings, i think Cintron is a good match up. A good test, a decent step up, and a great measuring stick for how he will fair against the true top guys in the division. Fights like this and Collazo are the ones that he needs now. The Trabants and Rodriguez's of the world will only teach you so much. Anyway, not a personal attack or anything, i just see people analyzing fights all the time like that, and was surprised to see you post that. I see the point you were trying to make, but disagree for the reasons stated above.
people over exagerate so bad.... how is his defense so awful? because he got dropped one time on a flash knock out that he was off balance on? his defense is as good as cintrons if not better
my whole point is everyone is taking cintron on the strength of just hating on berto because people tend to hate the hype.... everyone hates on pw because he was the next big thing he took 1 L and was exposed then he came back and knokced that same guy out in 1 round everyone hates on gamboa because he had a subpar showing against a mid level opponent everyone hates on berto because he got dropped once all these fighters have in common that they are elite fighters and they are young... like i said before im not a boxing genius but im smart enough to niotice some things... and i just hate everyone "hating" on fighters because of the attention they get.... now granted some people over exagerate ... no doubt... but these fighters are the future of boxing hate it or love it... with all that said i was never sold on cintron... ill honestly say i only saw 1 fight of his against mattyshe but before that fight nobody claimed him to be a serious threat.. then all the sudden after that fight he was... throughout the fight he looked mediocre until that one explosive knockout and then all the sudden this guy is a big danger... every fight berto has he looks better and better... every fight ive seen cintron in hes looked worse and worse... and never looked good to begin with.. thats where my statement comes from
You're right that they both have bad defence. Berto's is very leaky though. he doesn't use enough head movement, yet still keeps his hands down at times, or attempts to utilise a shoulder role. IMO he needs to either start working much more on using better head and upper body movement, or he needs to use a much more conventional high guard. This may be his undoing against the real top level guys in the division.
Andre Berto has THREE PUERTO RICAN'S TO CHOOSE FROM, QUINTANA COLLAZO AND CINTRON. like ZOMGGG lets just wait and see how He does against one of these guys. IMO, Berto should just fight ALL THREE. Because it would be a good hype up and the perfect pathway to landing a fight with MIGUEL COTTO. :yep
It would be a great way to hype a fight with Cotto actually. All three fights are winnable for him as well. Quintana should be the last guy that he faces though IMO, as this could potentially be the hardest fight there.