Andre Berto

Considering over 70% of the forum saw a Collazo win, you might not get such an enthusiastic outlook on the "win" for Berto and his future prospects.

 

Andre faught well....but he didn't beat Luis in the ring. He got the decision from the hometown crowd and judges. I will say this....He's got heart and desire! That's something you can't learn. He dug deep and won the last two rounds...but the last two rounds won't win the fight. It wasn't a robbery but Andre didn't do enough to win. It was a close fight in some regards but what Andre did in the ring fell short of what he needed to do to win and to make a STAMP on him being a legit WBC Champion.

 

IMHO, he is highly overrated and got a gift last saturday night. People talk about his "power" but he hit Luis with everything he has and didnt even shake him. If they put Berto in a ring with Margarito or Cotto any time soon, it will be suicide. Luis fought the perfect fight in my eyes and still got jacked at the end, one judge had it 116-111 WTF????

 

As long as he continues to fight the second tier type opponents he will continue to win. As soon as he steps up in class he will lose his title. Cotto, Margo and Shane all stop Berto. I even have Clottey beating him if he lets go of his punches.

 

shane never put louis out..

when he put louis down.. it was due to balance not shanes power..

the fight says more about collazo's chin and less about berto's LACK of power

 

you know Berto won more then the last 2 rounds right?

for starters try the 2nd, 5th, and 8th rounds as well

discredit Lederman giving the 7th to Collazo, cuz Luis took that round off

and your already looking at Berto having won 6 rounds. kind of going against what you said about "falling short of what he needed to do to win"

 

About the only guy he can't beat is Margo, simply becuase the guy has an iron chin and will spend the entire fight in his chest. He would wear Berto out and KO him in and around the 8th.

Everyone else at the top of the division he poses a threat too. His speed will give everyone trouble and has the potential to catch them. If he could learn to use his feet to get in and out effectively, work the body more and avoid trading as much as he does he has a shot.

I have a feeling he is what he is though, either way still dangerous

 

Of course! the fight was pretty close...but not THAT close. on my card Luis won comfortably by 3 rounds with the point deduction. I'm not sure about what you are talking about Bert winning 6 rounds. That's a bit off considering he was being out worked and out landed throughout the fight aside from 3 maybe 4 rounds. The decision was bad in my opinion but wasn't a robbery. I just felt Luis won a CLEAR decision only to be shafted by the judges in Berto's hometown. And I'm not sure about berto winning the 11th...I think I gave him that round to tighten things up for the champ. But I do remember being impressed with berto in the 12th and gave him that one for sure.

 

Berto undeniably has great speed, lots of power, a good chin, and courage.
His achilles heel is in his game (some say that it is his defense, but i think it's more his lack of adaptation). He is not yet versed in adapting to new situations quickly, or assessing the fight and changing styles. I enjoyed that he really mixed it up with Collazo (who performed beautifully as a brawler), but i was wondering if he wasn't picking up more points from the outside. Plus he was getting hit a lot on the inside.

I think berto would do really well to go with another coach for a while, and study some tapes of calzaghe, who is the master of adapting to styles and creating his own pace.

Finally, i thought that Berto looked a little heavy for his frame - anyone else think so?

 

First off the fight saturday was awesome. Secondly berto got a gift decision. yes he did dig deep for the last two rounds (i was nervous he was gonna put collazo down in the 12th) but even berto's father knew he lost, hence him (berto's father) screaming "you need to knock him out to win!" before the 12th started. If berto learns from this and steps his boxing skills up, he will hold his wbc belt a while longer. but to me berto os 23-1.

I was so happy and so angry with boxing saturday. Good fights are getting made but its like they have the most corrupt politicians in the world as judges nowadays.

 

On the fight: I can't give a complete evaluation because I didn't tune in until about the 5th or 6th round. It was a good fight, well worth watching, and I'm going to try to catch the whole thing at some point.

On Berto: well, he showed a lot of grit and heart, but I saw a whole laundry list of things he needs to work on, and to save time and energy I'm going to copy over from another post I did on the subject. In short, Berto needs a lot more seasoning, possibly a better trainer, and more time before he jumps up to fight the top guys. Here are the improvements Berto needs to make:

Needs to work tremendously on infighting, not just punching on the inside, but also using his arms, elbows and shoulders to push a guy off that's crowding him, how to tie up an opponent trying to get to work with infighting, etc.

Needs to learn how to work off the backfoot and using angles... there were far too many times when he was being smothered by Collazzo and should have stepped back or to the side to create angles for attack or getting out of the danger zone rather than just staying nose to nose with Collazzo.

And it won't hurt if he learns to pay attention to what's going on a little more. He could beat on Collazzo's head until there was nothing left of his hand, and sometimes it looked like he would despite the fact that he was clearly hurting Collazzo every time he went to the body. And yet, even after Berto would go to the body and stop Collazzo in his tracks by doing it, he'd switch right back to the head again. Either he needs a better grasp of ring smarts and tactics, or he needs someone in his corner who can do that for him.

 

okay not that hard to understand but lemme restate

an article from boxingtalk.com on the fight calls the fight controversial ... yet admits to giving rounds 2, 6, 7, 11 and 12 all to Berto right? That's 5 rounds right there.

add in the 5th round which I and Lederman both gave to Berto and that's six rounds just off that.

that's why im giving Berto six rounds

and interesting how you call the fight being in Berto's hometown .. I though he was fighting out of Florida. wasn't Saturday's fight in Mississippi?

 

Collazo was very well shacked in the last round. I'm not saying Berto deserved the fight. But he hurt Collazo in the last round that's sure

 

I thought the Fight was in FL. If that is the case it's still more a "HOMETOWN" crowd for Berto given that MS is in the Souteast and Luis is well....from "BROOKLYN". With that said I don't know what you read on Boxingtalk nor do I know how they called the fight.

I'm going off of what I witnessed on Saturday. And I responded to you based on what you wrote. Not hard to understand for you, but be more descritpitve in letting me know that you were speaking on a article....not what you felt transpired in the fight. Agian....6 rounds for Berto is laughable. As laughable as that one score card giving Berto a wide margin win.

To me Berto won no more than 4 rounds...he just can't fight effectively on the inside and that's where most of the fight happened. on top of that Berto wasn't busy enough for most of the fight and he was getting tagged by Collazo at will.

Power edge was definitely Berto's but that wasnt enough to put Callozo on his ass nor seriously hurt him. A body shot of Berto did effect Luis that I noticed but other than that Berto was outboxed. Was it contraversial....Eh....I can see why some see it that way....was it a robbery...Hell no. Just a bad decision IMO.