Andre Berto

Berto is from florida, I dont remember where they were fighting but it was somewhere else, it wasnt hometown. But he did get the decision because he is the new up and coming guy and the one they wanted to promote, theyd rather him win and have collazo be the gatekeeper guy, which isnt fair as Collazo should have a win over Berto and Hatton.

 

^ I know lol some people gawd

if your gonna say crap at least back it up logically (fight was in Mississippi NOT Berto's hometown)

and yeah the decision isn't fair (if you had Collazo winning)

but neither is life. if Luis won the 11th and 12th rounds he wins the fight .. simple as that.

 

go to boxingtalk.com .. it's on the main page like 5-6 articles down

a very brief summary mind you, but check it out none the less.

and im comparing/contrasting to my own opinion intermitten with the article (which might add to the confusion .. my apologies)

but for the record I had it 114--113 Berto.

and how is 6 rounds for Berto Laughable again? the article gave him 5

not even taking into consideration round 8 .. a round where I believe Berto had something along the lines of 23 to 3 connect edge

your entitled to your opinion .. fair enough, you say Berto only won 4 rounds, and fought like crap on the inside (I agree only with inside fighting)

But if Berto really was getting "tagged at will" how come Andre wound up with more landed punches according to Compubox?

I agree about Berto not hurting or dropping Collazo, but imo Andre didn't have to, because he won more rounds

Lederman + the article both give Berto the 2nd 11th and 12th rounds of the fight pretty clear cut.

then when you consider Collazo's inactivity in rounds 6-8, plus losing round 5

I don't see how it's at all laughable that Berto won 6-7 rounds.

that 116-111 scorecard however deserves to be laughed at.

 

My wallet will reap the rewards if Clottey vs. Berto ever gets made. Berto's hype will make me a lot of money.

 

5 rounds is laughable IMO just b/c Berto didn't "WORK" enough. But that's just me. He was getting eaten up on the inside and most of the rounds were clear to me who was controlling the ring, pace and fight itself. Luis was the better boxer bar none...at least on the inside.

Berto's feet were too stiff and he knew himself that he couldn't beat Luis on the inside yet continued to fight in a phone booth. When Berto had distance and went to the body he had success.

Not to act like I'm the end all be all to boxing b/c I'm not. Everyone has their own opinion but 6 rounds??? That's pushing it IMO. Especially with the Point deduction.

And I'm not sure what the hell happened with the Compubox numbers. Callozo definitely out landed Berto who had a tough time keeping up. He had a second wind in the 11th and 12 rounds where Luis began to slow. and two other rounds where berto hurt Luis to the body and one where Luis took a break.

But Luis was landing with his flurries....although they were meant for scoring points and for Flash...they still landed and he did that a few time. I can't believe Compubox had Berto landing more......but I believe you.

You make a good argument to support your point.....I just think we saw the fight differently. Like I said....it wasn't a robbery...I just have a clear cut victory for Luis by 3 rounds with the point deduction. I've seen a lot worse decisions and I honestly like how Andre did his thing in Round 12! He showed that he has a champions heart and at the end of the day he was holding the title....many believe you have to REALLY beat the champion to take a decision.

 

so wait you had Berto winning 4 rounds but 5 rounds is laughable, even with Collazo taking rounds 6-8 off and throwing a significantly less # of punches.

I mean you had Berto winning 4 rounds ... your telling me Andre won the 2nd +5th and just the last 2? that alone is pretty laughable

(for the record what rounds did you have Berto winning)

I don't at all see this fight in the Williams-Quintana 1 kind of mold where one fighter is being so comprehensively beaten, that the decision is clear cut and pretty much inevitable by fights end.

not to use your words against and I see you haven't repeated it but if Collazo was hitting Berto AT WILL as you previously said

why didn't Luis win the fight much more decisively?

and Berto did exactly what you said he wasn't doing before (in bold)... working. It was Collazo fighting with his hands down at his sides and getting hit much more in rounds 6-8 Berto won by out punching Collazo .. sure that's only 3 rounds ... but add that with the last 2 and we're looking at 5 already. even with the point deduction

(I know, the more I look at it, WOW Collazo f*cked up big time right?)

again don't be in such disbelief about Berto's # of rounds won .. rounds ADD up I already stated why I thought Berto won 3 rounds (6-eight) due to Luis lack of activity

and EVEN Lederman who had Berto losing the fight gave Andre rounds 2 and 5

above not even considering the last 2 rounds .. which Lederman also had Berto winning

so why is 6 such an irrational #? Louis certainly did win his rounds in the fight (1, 3, 4, 9, and 10 by landing more punches, controlling the ring and being better defensively)

but I don't think enough credit is given to Berto, because even Lederman saw Andre winning rounds you do not acknowledge such as the 2nd and 5th which were very good Berto rounds

hey maybe I and the judges are not taking into consideration the fact that Collazo was throwing punches in bunches on the inside and piling up points.

it is kinda shocking to see the total punches landed at

Berto 266 vs 222 for Collazo (again according to Compubox)

But still to finish it up, yeah Im glad you don't think it's a robbery and I whole heartedly agree that you have to beat the champ to take there title

however, by giving those rounds (6-eight) away, especially in a championship fight were very crucial for Collazo to lose

which probably made the difference, because the fight was pretty close at that point and even giving 3 rounds up .. adds up

especially when you factor in the other rounds Berto had won.

 

those are the rounds i had berto losing. going into the 11th his dad was yelling he needed a knockout, berto respondent by saying **** lol:rofl but on my score card he needed the last two round if he was gonna win. he pull through, collazo fought the 9 and the 10th like it was the championship rounds. collazo threw 209 punches in the 9 and 10th and was exhausted by the end at end of the 10th. berto damn near didnt do a damn thing in those rounds but took the whooping then berto came back and put the whopping on collazo in the 11 and 12th which puts my card at 113-114 berto. on my card the the right person got the decision but alot of people thought collazo won so what does this mean REMATCH must be made. for the judge who had it 116-111 for berto shoot his 10 toes off for he can never walk to a judge chair again.

( gotta luv berto dad emotional energy in the fight " you want to be champ my friend then you gotta suck it up") both their coner was trying to get them to win the last rounds because collazo sure was not gonna recieve no favors and 116 - 111 proves itatschatschatsch but no robbery was here the right man won to me we just need a rematch for the people who thought collazo won

 

bolded up top .. what rounds did you have Berto losing?

6, 7, 8?

1, 2, 3, 4,

9 and 10

or 11 and 12

be more specific please. I am giving Collazo 9 + 10 for the record.

and in rounds 6 to eight Berto had a pretty significant connect advantage in 2 outta the 3 rounds.

and don't use Berto's dad .. terrible logic

the other side of the coin is Collazo's corner which claimed that the "only way" he'd lose is by robbery ... implying that the fight was very much in the bag

and im mixed about a rematch, one one hand it would be nice to see, but at the same time i just can't help but think that's Collazo's fate ... to continuously come up short in most of his big fights (vs Hatton, Mosley and now Berto)

and besides almost all the time there's a close fight in boxing a lot of people have the losing fighter coming out on top ... it's the way the Boxing world works

to simply grant rematches on every close fight while ideal is kinda ridiculous.

Collazo lost the last 2 rounds and coughed up the fight.

I agree with 116-111 being an inappropriate bull**** score

but Collazo lost on 2 scorecards by a point, which is a bit easier to swallow.

not 100% against a rematch, I just don't want to see it next.

 

i had berto losing round 1,3,4,9,10

who do u want to see berto fight next

 

oh okay, me too.

Well Clottey is tied down to a mandatory, Judah's said to be moving down, Cintron's moving up to 154 for a fight .. same with Quintana ...

Cotto and Margarito seems on tabs for June

with all that in mind, I have trouble in thinking that DiBella can find someone else for Berto to fight.

it just might mean insta rematch for Luis.

***but I recall hearing somewhere that Mandatory challengers cannot get instant rematches ... (which would explain why Juan Diaz and Kendall Holt couldn't go right back in there vs Campbell and Torres)

any truth to that?

 

Yes! Only b/c of the Point deduction! Which comes to a TWO Point Round!

To be honest I had only had Berto wining the last two and if I'm not mistaken 5 and 6 or 6-7??:huh But not 100% sure. I'd have to re-watch the fight. But all the other rounds were CLEAR IMO for Luis. Just plain outboxing Berto on the inside and out hustling Berto.

I'm not a judge so I can't say why the fight wasn't called in a more decisive fashion other than Berto landed with more authority and was the harder puncher. Quality over quantity could be the rational? but who knows?

When Berto hurt Luis to the body he took time off to protect himself...but if I recall...that body shot that hurt Luis was at the END of the round...a Round in which Luis till that point was out working Berto. Again...I could be mistaken but I'll rewatch the fight again.

The more i think about it I don't see how Callazo "****ED" up...he was the challenger fighting the champ and I think he did enough to win convingingly...though the fight was close. I just saw a clear 3 round win for Luis. I wouldn't be so confident siding with Lederman to be honest. he's been suspect to say the least in scoring fights.

But Again....Berto proved a lot as a young champion. I don't necessiarly agree that he won! But it was close and I'm not made that Berto hung on to the belt! He really impressed me late! Not so much throughout the fight aside from going to the body...which he should have done more of! But with his grit and determination not go out as a fighter who gave up!

Callazo was hurt around 6 so I'm sure he was pacing himself...by the end he was damn near dead! So he had a game plan to combat what Berto was able to do in terms of damage!