Andre Dirrell back on August 1st. Leaves 50 cent and is back with Haymon

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tell me if this is right ot wrong

    I seem to recall reading on here that Andre Dirrell was offered a shot at the then undefeated Bute, but wouldnt take it unless it was in America.

    Is that true or false?
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    ...but he was on such a nice undefeated streak with 50!
     
  3. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Are you saying that its somehow odd that I believe being punched in the head by a power puncher when not expecting would concuss someone?

    Like I said, its LITERALLY impossible for me to tell whether it was legitimate. ASame as it is for you. I AM saying that being punched by Arthur Abraham in the head, when the punch isnt even expected is something that would very likely lead to concussion or being "kayoed"

    So lets be clear, are you still excusing Abraham punching a fighter who was CLEARLY down?
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Did you think I thought Dirrell had been locked away inventing a time machine during his absence from the ring? lol. Not only does he obviously look much younger in that video, but it also says it took place in 2001 in the title, too.

    And wouldn't that make him 18 years of age? Either way, whether he was 17 or 18 he still got battered from pillar to post and stopped in two rounds with big gloves and headgear on by a feather fisted Khan victim.

    Yes, he won every round against Stevens, but he was so intimidated by Stevens' power that he clocked up faster speeds running backwards around the ring for the entire fight than Usain Bolt does running forwards.

    This is what Harold Lederman had to say about that fight: "This is the worst fight I have seen in my life''

    Here's a few excerpts from an article about it.


    'Lou DiBella, who promotes Stevens, had promotional options on Dirrell in the event that he won. But DiBella was so disgusted by the way Dirrell fought, he doesn’t plan to pick up the option and said he doesn’t want to ever have Dirrell on one of his cards again. – Dan Rafael, June 19, 2007


    “Worst of the worst” is appropriate for Dirrell-Stevens. If Ali-Frazier I was the Fight of the Century, then Dirrell-Stevens was the Blight of the Millennium. Although I often like to review a fight round by round, I will save you the displeasure in this instance. Here, practically word for word, is a transcript of my notes of watching round 1:

    Dirrell circles, Stevens punches air

    Right hand by Dirrell

    Dirrell retreats

    Left hook by Stevens

    Dirrell retreats

    Dirrell circles, Stevens chases, nothing happens

    Crowd boos

    That was what stood out to me watching the round. That’s it. Repeat that little borderline-poetic series of lines another nine times, add some extra boos in the later rounds, and that, my friends, is the whole fight. Dirrell had no interest in engaging with Stevens and Stevens was too unskilled to do anything about it. Great fights emerge from unpredictability and huge shifts in momentum. Dirrell-Stevens was as predictable and monotonous as two trained, skilled men punching each other in the face could possibly be. If anything, upon second viewing the fight was even worse than its terrible reputation.

    Dirrell gets the lion’s share of the blame and deservedly so. While Stevens played his own role in the suckfest, it was involuntary. He simply could not counter Dirrell’s strategy. Dirrell, meanwhile, dictated the pace and nature of the fight from the first bell to the last. Possessing a seven-inch height advantage and far superior speed, Dirrell could have done his Running Man routine for the first few rounds and then, when it was clear to everyone in the building that Stevens was a limited guy who couldn’t touch Andre, he could have unloaded his arsenal on a softened foe. Instead, as late as the ninth round Dirrell ran over two full laps around the ring without pausing or throwing a single punch at Stevens. That is commitment to awfulness.'


    There's no doubt in my mind that Martin Kristjansen stole Dirrell's soul on that fateful Novemeber night in 2001.
     
  5. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why dont we have this conversation when Dirrel is actually fighting someone in the top 30.

    St Juste would be stopped in a round by Lucian Bute atm.:-(
     
  6. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So Dr. Shaw-Hi finally gave him the clearance to fight. Good for him. That Dr. Shaw-Hi is a hell of a doctor.
     
  7. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Im going to make this so simple that even you can understand it...I hope.

    Im going to use caps and spacing to emphasis my point, so as to make it even clearer. Ready?

    IT.IS.IMPOSSIBLE.FOR.ME.TO SAY.WITH.100%.ACCURACY.WHETHER.HIS.REACTION.WAS."LEGITIMATE".

    I am saying however that being punched in the head by a professional power punching boxer when you are defenseless on the ground could very easily lead to being "kayoed"/Concussed.

    Is that clear enough? Do I need to use ****ing sign language?

    You justification of Abraham delibertaely punching someone on his knees is frankly disgusting.

    The punch was not "on its way". He looked down ,saw his opportunity for a cheap shot and he took it.

    All this "tracking" his head BS,is just your justifying the unjustifiable.

    Saying frankly horrifying **** like Dirrell deserved it because of frustration shows what a low level character you are.

    Guys can be SERIOUSLY injured from cheap shots like that.

    Abraham was no warrior in that fight. He was a cowardly scumbag.

    Do you support guys who load their gloves too?
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Here's Angel Dirrell hitting one of his opponents while they were down.

    7:06 mark

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  9. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm interested to see what he can do. I don't have high hopes though because I don't think heart is something you can suddenly develop at this stage.
     
  10. technocrato

    technocrato Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxer also tend to be more precautious as they get older, closer to 30. Add that to somedy who is heartless, the results might not be that spectacular.

    (Heartless in a fighter perspective, since everybody who get in the ring has by definition more heart the keyboard warrior that I am).
     
  11. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Khan > Dirrell

    Dirrell is 1 - 1 with Golovkin.

    And thus Khan most also be >>> Golovkin.
     
  12. antonio plaisir

    antonio plaisir the detonator Full Member

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    he cures brain damage. nobel prize is nailed-on.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Dirrell beat Golovkin by a solitary point (15-14) in a USA vs Kazakhstan duel that took place in the USA.

    National pride was on the line. I smell robbery.

    Therefore, Khan still>>>>Dirrell & Golovkin>>>>Dirrell

    And

    Oleg Mashkin W 3:0 Andre Dirrell

    Golovkin W RSCI-2 Oleg Mashkin

    Therefore, Golovkin>>>> x2 >>>> Dirrell

    Also, Dirrell ran from Curtis Stevens like a thief in the night. He was absolutely scared out of his wits of him. Golovkin Wrtd 8 Stevens. Golovkin didn't just beat Stevens so bad his corner had to pull him out, he also gets extra points for doing this did this to him. He hit him so hard he made him have an epiphany live on HBO.


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    So therefore, Golovkin>>>> x 2 >>>> x3 >>>>Dirrell
     
  14. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can't believe it's been almost 5 years since Dirrel vs Froch. 2009/2010 Dirrell was one of the fastest SMWs I've ever seen. His footspeed was outrageous.
     
  15. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Yes, hitting someone when down isd a cowardly scumbag move.

    Abrahams was more outrageous but yes, I wont try to justify anyone who hits a fallen fighter. Especially when it was blatantly deliberate like Abrahams.