Andre dirrell has the lot!!!

No, anyone can edit boxrec. Its why its called the boxing wikipedia clown.

Exactly, so why would you take compubox that wasnt even posted by them seriously? What exactly are you trying to argue here?

 

Dirrells far more skilled then either Taylor or Kessler. He'd school both. If neither Taylor or Kessler are able to land the jab they quickly become one dimensional. A fighter like Dirrell can beat you in numerous ways

Uhh wow. So it takes no skill for you to time a fighter coming in from off the ropes as he did to both Froch and Abraham? He actually hurt Froch, and he timed Abraham to within a second of landing a punch, infact it almost defies logic as to how he was able to land that punch and duck of the corner in such short of time.

Dirrell has exception defense skill. As to why Froch and Abraham who prided themselves on laying copious amounts of glove on their opponents barely touched him.

Technically he's a little raw but thats it. Roy never developed much technically and became the greatest boxer of the 90s.

 

Parts can be edited, parts can't. Wikipedia has done the same.

So because they have a computer based ranking system, which ranks fighters based on who they've beaten and lost to, that is inaccurate, that also makes the information that they personally put in wrong? It doesn't at all.

 

And this means what? Obviously the part about what punches were landed can be edited since noone did Compubox for that fight. Stop being stupid.

Its a lousy computer ranking system that creates some of the most mind boggling rankings ever witnessed. A constant source of laughter on every forum. It has been thoroughly debunked as anything you can listen to. Hell they even list fights that never happen as happening.

But thats ok you are a dumbass, so you probably consider a wiki based website legit. However nobody else does.

 

I don't know why people are saying Dirrell was faking, he clearly wasn't. Dude had a concussion after the fight to prove it. And it definitely wasn't a knockdown in the 11th round, it was a slip. Look at Dirrell's leg touch Abraham's he goes down. Abraham threw a jab but it was clearly not the reason Dirrell went down.

 

Dirrell had slipped in that spot before in the 7th. A product of Abrahams corner dumping a **** load of water in the corner.

 

Based on...what? He's fought two good opponents in his career and both were absolutely perfect for him. If you had to pick the worst fighter in that weight range for Froch, it would be Dirrell. If you did the same for Abraham, it would be Dirrell. He's not shown any kind of variation in his skills thus far in his career. Maybe he will, but to say "Dirrell can beat you in numerous ways" is complete speculation. Unless, of course, you want to talk about his 6th career win or whatever.

It doesn't take that much skill, no. It's all about reflexes and hand speed. If you look at what he does whilst on the ropes, that isn't good. He is very vulnerable there and, yeah, you'll find the odd good bit of boxing but overall, it's a weak part of his game.

He doesn't show real skill defensively. I was talking a lot about Rocky Marciano earlier and if you actually break it down, Marciano has more defensive skill than Dirrell. Is he as elusive? Probably not, but I'm talking about pure skill. Marciano wasn't elusive in his career but he did so many defensive things right, despite being offensive minded. Dirrell will avoid guys all the way throughout his career but if you watch him properly, you won't see much defensive skill there.

Again, his defence is pure reflexes. If he could combine that with defensive skill, then he would be a very, very good fighter.

Jones was a special fighter. Dirrell is much more comparable to, another overrated technician, Zab Judah.

All three have technical flaws. However, Jones was a genius at what he did. Judah was exposed at elite level and Dirrell is much more likely to follow that path.

 

What lot?

 

The numbers aren't always released but there could have been a Compubox-like system used that night. Primetime could have done their own, seeing as all their shows are seperate to the American production, and any number of nations which showed the fight could have also done it too. I don't know if anyone did score it, but just because Showtime didn't, it doesn't mean nobody did. The fight was shown all around world and if one single channel decided to score the punches landed, they could do.

Have you seen a non-American version of the fight? More to the point, have you seen every televised version of the fight, so you can actually say that "noone did Compubox for the fight"?

No, I agree that the rankings are shocking, but you're missing the point. They admit their rankings are wrong but what you're saying is, is because the rankings are bad, it means you can doubt the rest of the site. I don't think that's true.

And whilst Wikipedia, and any similar site, can be wrong, if you check the sites regularly, they're a very good source of information. Anything which can't be verified or checked, will be removed, so it's a filtered system which produces a lot of facts. It's not flawless, but it's an excellent source of basic information.

 

Based on in the ring skill he showed. you just said that Taylor and Kessler are better then him. Kessler orthodox style gets him sparked against Abraham. Kessler struggled to a lucky decision agianst Froch. And Taylors already been sparked by both.

Its easy to see Dirrell is more skilled and versatile then either of the 2.

Utter nonsense. He has been able to press and attack before, and yet still remain dangerous while retreating. He can switch from right hand to left hand and hurt you with either hand. He can totally forgo the jab and lead with either hand. Thats the definition of a versatile fighter. Compared to Kessler and Taylor who move in lateral lines and can only lead with the jab, he is miles ahead.

Utter nonsense. It takes skill to time your opponent. Andre Berto is probably the fastest fighter on the planet, and he cant time anyone for ****. Dirrell is precise with his punching, thus his hurting of Froch and downing of Abraham, both of which nobody expected.

Nonsense. He's hurt Froch off the ropes, and downed Abraham off the ropes. His defense is excellent upon the ropes aswell. Abraham had him cornered in the 8th I believe and threw about 20 punches and missed all 20 how you can call that the "weak" part of his game is beyond me.

1:50. How is that not defensive skill? :nut
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2:08 of the same video has nothing to do with reflexes. He timed Abraham coming in and slipped out of the way of his next assault. He had maybe a second and a few inches to accomplish the feat. You really need your eyes checked.

Zab Judah folded under pressure. Against Froch, Dirrell actually rose to the occation in only his 18th fight first going 12 rounds and pummeled Froch over the last 3 rounds. Totally different fighters and COMPLETELY different styles. Judah is more orthodox out of the southpaw stance, Dirrell is anything but.

And who is going to expose Dirrell at SMW? Ward is the only fighter I'd favor over Dirrell. and Bute is the only fighter I'd give a shot of beating him. Who exactly is going to expose him?

 

Sure as hell was a slip before the foul. Whoever argues that is insane.

 

No there is not.

Nope. Find a source for the numbers then. If a station did it, it should be easy, infact I could find most Mayweather compubox statistics done over the last 5 years. Finding a fight that occured less then a year ago should be easy.

Stop bullshiting. Again you sound stupid.

The rest of the site is wikipedia based. Which means anyone can edit the information. If you believe the information is correct, then why does it not have a source for the info listed? Boxrec is not as famous as Wiki and nobody would care if the infos wrong especially for Froch and Dirrell, so this leads anyone with a half functioning brain to conclude the compubox is bull****. Unless you honestly believe Froch landed 153 punches on Dirrell.

 

Andre Ward. Dirrell will find out that truth soon enough. Ward doesn't need to "do what Dirrell can do." He does what Andre Ward can do and that includes winning the olympic gold medal which is something Dirrell cannot do. Ward will test Direll's heart and send him running like Froch did. SOG via UD.

 

Have to agree more so with MW on this one. While I think Dirrell could use some polishing I think Jack is downplaying him as being purely just fast, physical, reflexed based guy. Sure, he's not the most technical boxer and he uses his physical gifts well but as MW pointed out. Plenty of guys have speed but they don't time nor do they show the versatility of switch hitting or using either hand the way Dirrell does. I don't like how he occasionally backs up in a straight line with his hands down or way up. And I feel he needs to get more experienced because he does make mistakes. And he needs to get his mind better as he does seem to get a little nervous.

Either way, even if he is a fighter that relies on his gifts That doesn't mean he's not great. Ali and Roy Jones Jr did. Certainly better than Kessler or Jermain Taylor. Not being a great technical fighter doesn't mean you're absent of boxing skills. That's the huge misconception here.

 

Anyone can clearly see the jump in maturity from the Froch fight to AA. He's getting better.