Andre dirrell has the lot!!!

yep he ****ed up the froch fight, was too inexperienced and fought scared. he looked bad and i am shocked people think he won the fight. he didn't rock froch (no matter how loud the american tv commentry team were screaming) and he didn't do much in attack, except for a couple of the late rounds.

but against AA he was crisp and i think if he plants his feet down he can pack some power in his punches. we all know he is fast as hell.

but again - i think he is mentally weak - why did he fight scared against froch?

anyways ward next and if he beats ward then you can say he is going on to big things, if he loses to ward it is a long road back to another title shot.

 

lol DOH!

That was a right punch down the pipe!

 

im gonna have to solidly agree with Jack
He gets away with ALOT of flaws BECAUSE of his athleticism
unfortunately he's gonna get caught badly by Ward, cuz he knows them

As to RJJ, he's somewhat comparable to RJJ's athletic gifts, BUT the Power. And POWER makes a whole world of difference...

 

to take nothing from him, Dirrell was and is STILL a bad matchup for AA's style. Dirrell did show great maturity in execution the right gameplan that played into Dirrell's strengths and abilities and expose AA's weaknesses....

I guarantee AA's management would never allow their fighter to fight a "Dirrell" type boxer outside a tournament setting. Lucky for us, the Super6 doesnt allow fighters to pick and choose their opponents


Gotta love the tourney too. Fightcamp 360, Ward did say this is his most dangerous fight to date.... i dont think any fighter anticipates having to go against someone who they know is faster than them...

 

Bitchiganwarrior has been wned big time, for the 100000th time .
Not only have I always destroyed all of his quotes. Jack has also shown great ESB credibility and schooled the Bitchiganwarrior at every turn .
Mitchigan seems to get obsessed over my Froch - Dirrell scorecard, which is unnescessary as Froch has the win .

He knows now that The Ring and Boxing News both scored for Froch and Boxrec punchstats favour Froch :happy

Bithigan has been forced to :bowdown to ESB elite posters.

Mitchigan the biggest fool to try and debate boxing Pwned once more, by facts :deal

:dance Learn to live with the facts, Dirrell LOST to Froch

 

dirrell beat froch. he has big things planned. he and ward are the two best at 168 currently

 

Close fight... None of them looked like winners... I personally have no problem with Froch getting the nod...

By no means a robbery...:nono

 

Yes, there is. Again, Primetime use their own punch counting system. Sky have their own, Setanta have their own. HBO have theirs and so do other American networks. Which means that unless you've seen every production of the fight, you can't disprove they are accurate numbers.

Sky have numbers for every fight too, but you'd struggle to find numbers of a fight from a year ago and this is Sky. Why is it different? Partly because it's American TV and more people have access to them, especially reporters. American numbers are easy to find but if they weren't shown on American TV, that doesn't mean they don't exist at all, just that they're hard to find. They may not be on the internet at all.

You say that "if a station did it, it should be easy but I know for a fact that French TV scores cards, yet it's incredibly hard to track them down because few French sites report boxing.

So because the numbers aren't given a direct source, it means they're wrong?

And if a TV company did show the fight and did score the punches, what do you expect the source to be? A source on Wikipedia or BoxRec has to be a web link but what if it wasn't? BoxRec is the link.

 

What fight were you watching??? Its clear as day that Dirrell had Froch on ***** street...He just didnt finish him off...I would show you the gif. if you think I'm lying.

 

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And this is for all of those people that seem to have a short memory...Please explain to me how Froch didnt get hurt when its clear as day that Dirrell almost had Froch out of there if he was a better finisher???

Gotta love how people leave things out of the equation to fit their bias agenda!

 

So?

Boxing is NOT as easy as "A beats B, B beats C, so A must beat C", which you are are claiming. Just because Kessler and Taylor didn't or wouldn't do well against aggressive, hard hitting boxers, that somehow means something about Dirrell?

I don't know what you mean at all. The only think I can think of, is you're making a "A, B, C" type argument which is fundementally flawed in boxing.

Again, I ask, based on what? You can say he's better and we'll disagree, but that's fine, but where is your proof? You just claimed Dirrell is better but we are talking about versatility. Tell me who Dirrell has shown versatility against at the top level? He's fought two come forward fighters, that's it. He's yet to fight anyone slick, fast, a technician and many more different styles. He's not shown the versatility that, say, Froch has.

You're completely missing the point, as always. Maybe my points wouldn't be "utter nonsense" if you could read and understand them.

I depends on the quality of opposition. All these posts about Dirrell's punching technique and ability, come from the fight with Abraham, who was there to be hit all night. What you may be doing here, is making the same mistakes you did when another fighter you like, Devon Alexander, fought Juan Urango. You fail to differentiate between the type of opposition these boxers are facing. Abraham was there to be hit, Froch wasn't as easy. After the Froch fight, I distinctly remember people saying that Dirrell wasn't too accurate, yet against a guy who will stand there and soak up punches, Dirrell got rated as a precision puncher. It's way off mark and too knee jerk.

I think it's a false prediction and I'm sure I'll be proven right in time.

I don't think you understand boxing if you think that's wrong. I guarentee you can't analyse both men and break down the things both men do. Marciano got hit a lot more, yes, but he had more defensive technique.

What do you mean he "rose to the occassion"? He fought a fight which disgraced himself. He didn't rise to anything. He showed a lack of balls and fighting heart.

You can talk about it being his first 12 rounder or his 18th career fight, but that means nothing. People don't gain heart, they're either born with it or not. Dirrell is not. In his 12th career fight, Joe Frazier stepped up and fought Bonavena. Despite being knocked down, he fought like a man.

You can't excuse such a display of cowardice because he was inexperienced. Whether it's his 10th fight or 100th, a true fighter doesn't respond like that.

He's lucky because he's in a division which has a few top guys who suit his style. Like I said, I thought Froch would beat him and Abraham would lose to him, but both guys are completely suited to him. Ward will beat him though, as would Kessler. Bute would stop him.

He's been very lucky so far because he's been pitted against Froch and Abraham. Them two along with, say, Andrade, are perfect for him. His luck is over though and it's time for a real test.

 

ROFL! You're really making a fool of yourself, if they are so hard to find how did boxrec get them?

Yes. Considering nothing short of ****** would believe Froch hit Dirrell 153 times, and nobody short of a ****** would believe a boxing wikipedia page without a source to a fight where no compubox was taken.

If a company did do the stats it would be on their website or published by any of the various boxing magazines giving the source for the information .

Boxrec is the link? Im sorry I know you're slow but we've been through this, boxrec doesnt take compubox, if they did dont you think they'd perhaps publish more? :rofl

 

Taylor and Kessler would actually suit Dirrells style more. Whereas both Froch and Abraham are awkward and unconventional, Froch being hard to hit because he keeps chin tucked between and ungodly reach and weird long body, and Abraham has the turtle shell with amazing power, both Kessler and Taylor or the definition of conventional, probably boxers Dirrell is more accustomed to handling. Consider that Jermain Taylor nearly lost to Cory Spinks, I think its safe to assume Dirrell would handle him. As for Kessler, well no way he could handle Dirrells speed.

Fighting different style of fighters is NOT versatility. Dont know who told you or where you learned that from. Versatility is fighting different styles in the ring. Dirrell has proven he can box off the back foot, fight coming forward, fight off the ropes, snap with the jab, or lead with either right or left hand. Thats versatility.

And Froch is NOT a come forward fighter. I told you and the other Froch fans before the fight started that Froch struggles coming forward and would much rather be pressed where he can work behind his jab and length, as to why he looked so goofy pressing the fight against Dirrell and much better against Kessler.

There to be hit? Abraham? Are you sure we are talking about the same fighter?

Devon Alexander and Dirrell have nothing in common. How did I know your ***** ass would bring up that fight. How about I bring up your amazing predictions for Froch vs Dirrell and Kessler vs Ward, where both were supposed to walk over the others.

Alexander is a conventional fighter, Dirrell is not. There is nothing similar about them besides the fact they are black.

Dirrell has fought and defeated 2 world champions and his skills have been apparent.

How wasnt Dirrell accurate. When he threw punches, he usually landed. In the 10th, 11th and 12th, he couldnt miss if he tried.

It takes precision punching to penetrate Abrahams guard. Dirrell opened him up and busted up his face. I dont see how you could say he's not precise when I show you a video of Dirrell timing him coming in what was almost an impossible amount of time to get a punch off. Madness.

Yep like you were with Kessler and Froch. Or maybe you'll hedge your bets with Dirrell like you did with Dawson?

nobody but you feels Dirrell disgraced himself, do we need to bring back the thread where you got completely owned by the majority of ESB trying to make the same statement.

18th pro fight, first 12 rounder, against a world champion and extremely awkward fighter like Froch and at the end of the fight, while some questioned his instincts and planning, nobody questioned his raw talent or potential. As to why before the tournament only I and a few others were predicting a Dirrell victory, and now Dirrell is seen as the 2nd best guy in the tournament by the majority of posters.

If you believe he won stop being a ***** and post your scorecard.

Kessler gets thoroughly dominated. Had to resort to slapping with his punches to beat Froch. And he's much easier to hit then Froch. Has no head movement, and needs to land the jab to set up any of his punches.

Ward is the only fighter I'd give a clear edge over Dirrell. Bute can match his speed and has more power, but I question him coming forward and having to be the aggressor, and Andrade was landing cleanly on him far too much.