Andre Ward: “I think Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter in the world today”

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  1. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    The only people who think that Pac is the best of his generation is *******s and writers. Most boxers know that Floyd is the best fighter in the world, and the best of his generation.
     
  2. Leon

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    He has different variations of the left hand. The one involved in the combo that knocked Cotto down DIDN'T involve so much of that head movement. His last few opponents were left hand dominant fighters, and they didn't come anywhere close to him in the speed department. They don't even have the right hand to counter that.

    The one where he dips down to the right can be countered by nice left hook by someone who can match him for speed and footwork.

    There you said it. He's getting away with that **** because of his natural physical gifts. It's not like he's inventing a new state of the art break through piece that can be used by the future generations in boxing.

    He's not the most talented boxer of this generation. You're mixing up greatness through accomplishments with raw talent.

    Anyways, your reasoning for pac being moar talented than Void since he's unorthodox is faulty. People can talk **** all they want about how much they hate Void, but if their newborn was on the line the majority would pick Void to win H2H as they trust in his skills/talent moar. Those people who were interviewed by The Ring magazine, guys who LIVE boxing as you put it, picked Void to win vs emmanuel at 27-13.

    People generally consider Void the moar talented, gifted, and skilled boxer due to his ability to adapt and because of how versatile he is.
     
  3. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    The most talented boxer of this generation is James Toney. **** floyd and manny.
     
  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    The jab offsets the left hook counter because the left hand comes behind it so quickly. And if he leads with the left while he dips to his right, he throws the punch at such an angle that if the opponent lowers his left to throw a hook, he will get caught with the straight left

    You have to play to your strengths. Floyd is blessed with amazing reach and speed, and he plays to those strengths as well. I never said Pac is inventing some new state of the art breakthrough piece that can be used by future generations. He is likely gonna be a fighter that can't be replicated for a long long time. That's one of the reasons why so many of these boxers have a hard time understanding his quality.

    I'm talking straight up ABILITY. Forget resume. Physical ability, mental ability, learned ablities, the whole package. ABILITY. Natural physical gifts are abilities as well.

    I'm not saying that Pac is more talented than Mayweather because he's unorthodox. I'm saying Pac has more ability than Mayweather, period. He might also be unorthodox but that's a seperate thing. Being unorthodox doesn't make someone a lesser fighter either. That's why so many people like you are wrong in their judgement of Pac. He's more unorthodox than the average elite fighter and they're not used to it so don't get it.

    Why you bringing hate into it? Its got nothing to do with it. Most people realise that Floyd is just playing a persona. Especially most of the boxing writers. Where you're mistaken is that how people perceive a head to head matchup doesn't always tell the story about who is better p4p. 80% of people think Tito would spark Pacquiao out and I'm sure most of these people recognize that Pac is a better p4p fighter today than Tito was. Pac at WW is someone fighting opponents with a disadvantage. Just cause he's had success so far doesn't erase that.
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    comon man even you know that Andre Ward saying that Floyd is the best is no different than Donaire saying that Pacquiao would dominate Mayweather.
     
  6. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Dare say Void won't be able to check hook counter his tilt head to the right longer range left hand?

    Once Void is done using his jab to measure there won't be no left hand following his jab. Void will be able to throw a hook over the jab to counter it.

    His shorter range left cross with less head movement will be countered by taking a step back and following up with a right.

    They don't understand it because lots of the **** he does and gets away with is based on his athleticism. I can't blame other boxers for not promoting his technical errors just because he manages to get away with it. He comes in off balance quite often and can be reckless. That **** won't fly against someone who can match him in physical gifts.

    He doesn't have moar ability than Void. Be serious here, Void grew up in a boxing family and started at like the age of two. It comes much moar naturally to him. When Void was dominating back in the days emmanuel was still struggling. Void has around a decade worth of experience over him.

    If he has so much ability then why wasn't he able to adjust to Marquez four years later in their rematch to convincingly beat him? His ring IQ isn't as high as Void's, and he's one dimensional to top it all off.

    There was literally no way for him to lose against Clottey, but he never tried anything new. He even left some unanswered counters against Clottey in the last few rounds.

    Can't blame the "boxing public" for not thinking he's not as smart as your idealized version of him believes it to be.

    Void has faster reactions, reflexes, and hands. Emmanuel is quicker on his feet and packs a bigger punch. Void is physically stronger. It can't be said that he's moar athletic than Void when everything is taken into account. Being moar textbook like Void doesn't mean you're less athletic; it just means you rely on different tools.
    Nice, so you go from saying emmanuel has moar ability than Void to trying to insert a size excuse as the reason for why he'll lose.

    The size difference isn't as great as people try to make it out to be. Emmaneul was actually one pound bigger than Void when they were both 29. Void weighed in at 150 vs Oscar, but came in on fight night at like 148 or 149. Emmanuel came in on fight night at 148.5.

    All size excuses are out once Void beats him easily.
     
  7. PH|LLA

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    Enough arguing. I could answer every point but only time will tell how history judges them.

    Many things to consider when deciding who will win a fight, like Ability, Styles, Size, and Outside circumstances (ref, judges, crowd, etc). When judging who is a better p4p fighter, only ability matters.
     
  8. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Don't worry my fellow *******. You will be free after Void's victory over emmanuel.
     
  9. Relentless

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    not gonna happen as both the bitches are scared to death of facing each other.

    i've never seen 2 top boxers act like bitches like this.
     
  10. Bladegunner

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    I agree with Ward. Until anyone can shut floyd's big mouth up, there's no denying he is the man to beat in boxing.

    Pac unfortunately has already been beaten on many occasions. He even has draws to his name. There is no shame in this, it's just a fact. Pac has improved since then but one cannot dismiss that pac is known to losing, while the boxing world is still waiting to see who can give floyd his first loss before he retires.

    I have no doubt that to the majority of boxing fans around the world, this fight will determine who the better fighter of the two is.

    People say pac cant deal with counter punchers.

    People also say floyd cant deal with southpaws and pressure fighters.

    I guess we will soon find out. But be assured that someone legacy will get dented after this fight, just the way the media works.
     
  11. igotJUIC3

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