Andre Ward and Carl Froch have no chance of beating Golovkin

kingfisher3 · Feb 22, 2015

ward is obviously the better fighter than froch, but, i actually like froch's chances v ggg better than ward's. Both good fights.

Jim Jeffries · Feb 22, 2015

bailey said: ↑

You are going all over the place now. First you tried to make out he was from a certain place so backing certain fighters and now you are trying to make out because he was on TV for a certain place. Stop being silly. He made a comment about a certain punch and there was notjing wrong with the comment in my opinion

Of course it is. Nobody knows unless it happens. It could be that GGG goes up to SMW and blasts everyone out, but based on his MW comp, size etc, I dont think that would happen at all. It is an opinion same as yours

And Duran after doing well at MW was completely beaten at SMW, so you have no point there. Also Leonard wasnt exactly beating top SMWs, and I say that fairly to Leonard who is possibly my favourite all time boxer

???? And

No there isnt really. Cotto has been of a similar mould, going through the weights and winning titles, but he is older and I think too small

He possibly needs to get a move on, as he is not getting any younger.
Do you think if he cant get the MW fights that he should move up?

I think Froch will be retired before/if GGG moves up. With Ward I disagree, I think Ward hits to offset his opponent and get in close and then holds and mauls where he is physically strong, and I think stronger than Golovkin, who I dont think was as effective when pushed back, and that was by Murray who I think is a lighter puncher than Ward, not as strong, not as fast, not as skilled and not as good at infighting. I dont think Golovkin wuld have the power when in close and backed up.
I think Ward is more interested in that match up than Golovkin, but that is just me speculating

Edwin was troubled by the weight from what I understand, which I doubt Golovkin would be, but we dont know how Golovkin would be at SMW

Fair enough, each to their own.
I dont think Froch is thinking of him at all

Its possible, but I just think GGG will be neutralised and Ward wins a wide boring decision with GGG possibly demoralised

He probably would win most of those, but I am not sure about how he would do with Quillin. I wonder if Quillin can raise his game to opposition and wouldnt be shocked if Quillin put on a master performance

Is he chasing them?

I dont think Froch will be around.

I think Quillin would be a good win
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It doesn't matter if Duran didn't do well at SMW he tested the waters. At the end of the day Golovkin is a natural middleweight who might move up 8 pounds.

Duran was a lightweight moving up multiple divisions. A big achievement. Sugar Ray Robinson was the best ever and did the same and failed to a different extent.

Steve Collins will always favour british hometown fighters because he is generally known as a fighter who fought many of the greats of great britain. I've rarely heard him back an american and say how good he was except Roy Jones Jr who he thought he could beat.

He said if Murray pushed him back he would win but he didn't so it's irrelevent. Steve Collins prime wouldnt be able to do it.

Froch has had Golovkin on his mind because Eddie Hearn his promoter has talked with Froch about the fight a few times and Froch has asked Eddie if he thinks Golobkin is as good as the hype following seems to suggest. He's not sure about ever fighting Golovkin. He'd rather fight a limited fighter in Chavez Jr who's in serious legal issues with Bob Arum. So that fight may never be made.

Froch won't fight Hopkins when he comes back from injury. He might not be able to fight Chavez Jr due to his troubles with Bob Arum.

So it doesn't leave him with many options? James Degale?

Nope. He doesn't want to fight him. Golovkin? Well, he could fight him because Golovkin wants to fight three or four more times this year.
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Faerun · Feb 22, 2015

lmao

Tony Yeboah · Feb 22, 2015

Faerun said: ↑

lmao
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I know, this Jim Jeffries is a total chump. I don't think he has slept since last night, just been fantasising about Golovkin. Golovkin will never move up, and if he did, he wouldn't be beating Froch or Ward.

Can you imagine if they used a tiny ring like last night on Froch? Would back fire badly and Golovkin would be mauled.

I don't doubt that Golovkin is the better fighter p4p, but he is not beating Froch at 168.

Jim Jeffries · Feb 22, 2015

Tony Yeboah said: ↑

I know, this Jim Jeffries is a total chump. I don't think he has slept since last night, just been fantasising about Golovkin. Golovkin will never move up, and if he did, he wouldn't be beating Froch or Ward.

Can you imagine if they used a tiny ring like last night on Froch? Would back fire badly and Golovkin would be mauled.

I don't doubt that Golovkin is the better fighter p4p, but he is not beating Froch at 168.
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Froch is scared of Golovkin. Froch is declining which is obvious to see.

Froch is ducking Golovkin, Hopkins, and Degale.

I don't blame him for ducking Golovkin and Degale. Both are in their primes.

Froch's biggest issue is Joe Calzaghe. He will always be in his shadow and if he lost to Hopkins it would damage his legacy so he won't take the risk.

Mercury · Feb 22, 2015

I don't think he is scared of Hopkins. It is just a fight he can't win. If he wins he has beat an old man and if he loses he loses. Also he knows it would be ****ing boring and wouldn't capture anyone's imagination.

Moanamchara · Feb 22, 2015

Jim Jeffries said: ↑

Froch is scared of Golovkin. Froch is declining which is obvious to see.

Froch is ducking Golovkin, Hopkins, and Degale.

I don't blame him for ducking Golovkin and Degale. Both are in their primes.

Froch's biggest issue is Joe Calzaghe. He will always be in his shadow and if he lost to Hopkins it would damage his legacy so he won't take the risk.
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Frochs resume ****s all over GGG and recently Hearn said he was still interested in GGG. Degale had his chance to fight Froch but LOST to Groves. Froch just fought 2 mandatories and deserves to pick his next fight but he is currently injured or he would of fought Chaves. **** fight but hey everyone is trying to fight Chaves. If Froch fights afterwards he will fight someone like Degale or hey maybe GGG. But to say someone with who has fought top comp his whole career is ducking other fighters is ridiculous. Froch is one of the most proven warriors in the sport. Let's see GGG fight any SMW before we declare he beats them all. He is very small and any good SMW will exploit that along with him getting hit with some power let's see how he handles.

**** GGG and Hopkins aren't even in his division. GGG said he is staying at MW for now so what is he ducking SMW?

Hopkins wouldn't be alive if he came down to 168.

Jim Jeffries · Feb 22, 2015

A prime Froch would be a different fight and i think he would have a chance for sure.

But a declining Froch i don't think he would survive the onslaught for 12 rounds against Golovkin at his current stage in his career.

Froch fought an out of prime Kessler which he lost but avenged who came off a loss to Andre Ward.

He fought Glen Johnson.

He's fought Arthur Abraham moving up from 160.

He fought Andre Dirrell which i think he was lucky to get a win. His performance wasn't very good he was missing wild shots.

He got outboxed and ud'd by Andre Ward.

Froch mentioned Hopkins first on twitter no the other way round. Hopkins called Froch's bluff and Froch ignored him.

Froch will always be in the shadow of Joe Calzaghe. His record is good no doubt but i just think he's on the decline and i think is ready for the taking.

rayrobinson · Feb 22, 2015

This goes to show how good GGG is , putting him up against the best SM's in the world and the general consensus is that its very very close.

Cannot see anyone from 154 wanting a move up.

Moanamchara · Feb 22, 2015

Jim Jeffries said: ↑

A prime Froch would be a different fight and i think he would have a chance for sure.

But a declining Froch i don't think he would survive the onslaught for 12 rounds against Golovkin at his current stage in his career.
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Froch has taken big shots from big men his whole career and has never been knocked out. Who has GGG faced remotely as strong as Froch? Froch would hit him harder than anyone before and keep on hitting him regardless of being hit. Let's see GGG against some good SMWs before we jump to conclusions. Saying who he dominates at MW is a different story but we haven't seen how he translates to SMW .

Jim Jeffries · Feb 22, 2015

Moanamchara said: ↑

Froch has taken big shots from big men his whole career and has never been knocked out. Who has GGG faced remotely as strong as Froch? Froch would hit him harder than anyone before and keep on hitting him regardless of being hit. Let's see GGG against some good SMWs before we jump to conclusions. Saying who he dominates at MW is a different story but we haven't seen how he translates to SMW .
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Well, you could say Abraham is like Golovkin coming from 160 and Froch beat him easily.

But Golovkin is an elite fighter which Abraham was/is not.

Both have top chins so it's who gets the best shot in and who has the better ring generalship. The guy who gets in his groove first will win and i think at Froch's current stage in his career would lose.

The Froch of the Lucian Bute fight would be another story altogether. I think he would give Golovkin hell.

I think many believe Froch is the same guy he was then but i just see a declined fighter now from his last two fights.

Froch got caught with a peach of a shot from Groves which absolutely floored him and his eyes rolled back. Explosive punch.

I just think Golovkin can pull something like that off against him.

Leoh · Feb 22, 2015

Froch is a thing of the past anyway. Not unlike Ward.

Xplosive · Feb 22, 2015

Ward is the only fighter from 154-168 who can beat GGG.

GGG would give Froch a slow, methodical beat down.

Leoh · Feb 22, 2015

Ward was never a KO artist, and GGG just isn't the type of boxer you can beat by points. It'd take a very hard puncher to catch GGG with a surprise to beat him. A prime Marvin Hagler perhaps.

Butch Coolidge · Feb 22, 2015

Moving up didn't seem to be on Golovkin's agenda. Fighting Cotto is what he mentioned and unifying the middleweight title. Just the facts.

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