Andre Ward Clowning Froch On Twitter

ward got a by and the full points wtf why did this not happen for any other fighter, he did not travel as the challenger complete bull**** double ****ing standards imo

 

This thread is hilarious!

Who invented the Super Six? Ward?

Who agreed where the final was going to be held? Ward?

Who made the draw for the Super Six? Ward?

Showtime and Sauerland organised the tournament.

Yes, Ward didn't have to travel like the others, but he won the tournament.

Give the guy a break. The final was always going to be held in America, and Kessler and Froch etc, knew they had to travel. Showtime staged the event, and they are an American network. All the promoters and all of the fighters accepted the terms.

Ward beat Kessler and Froch, and instead of celebrating Wards victories, idiots on here are saying it's not fair that Ward didn't fight outside of the U.S.

Ward had the luxury of being American, fighting in a tournament staged by an American tv network. That's just the way it is. Yes he had an advantage, but again, it's just circumstances.

Bailey,

"Ward hasn't beaten a top undefeated fighter!"

"Ward hasn't beaten an undefeated World Champion!"

??

SO WHAT?

How many more times are you going to type it?


Regards, Loudon.

 

Froch fans keep saying it wasn't him in the ring the night we fought...then who was it...his twin brother??!!

Superb!

 

Ward was also an olympic gold medalist and upcoming prospect who Showtime wanted to expose to American audiences. The moaning over this subject is beyond ridiculous.

 

If that was aimed at me I have to say that my only point was how pathetic and hypocritical the argument that the champion doesn't have to travel is when attributed to Ward considering that Kessler and Froch had to travel infinitely further than Ward did for their fights against him when they were champs - more relevant really for Kessler since the Froch/Ward fight was a unification one.

As I said before, I accept and openly admit Ward's the best in his division and beat Kessler and Froch clean and fair and whatever and would likely do so again, but dont you think its a bit two-faced of Ward-fans to say that they see nothing wrong with Ward expecting Kessler to bring his title to Oakland but then say its alright for Ward not to take his title to some foreign land to defend against a legitimate challenger? (By which I mean, should Kessler or Froch or some other foreign fighter become recognized a legitimate challenger)

 

stop crediting paper titles, thats bailey's 'facts' talking...

calzaghe was the SMW champ, he retired, there was a tournament to find the new champ, all competitors agreed terms because they new paper trinkets were worthless after the tourney finished, ward won - the end

 

it's awfully cute :yep

 

I'm beginning to see why they call him 'Failey'. :think

 

The only point I am making is that I think its hypocritical to expect other fighters to bring titles to Ward but to say its ok if Ward chooses not to take his titles to them.

 

but crediting paper titles is legitimizing the federations that fragment the sport, thats my point
it was ward's promoter who got him hometown fights, and he probably got them because rival promoters didnt take him seriously enough to contest it

i agree that in a perfect world that ward could only gain respect by going to denmark and england to fight, but the networks would prefer it here

 

Hi mate,

You've made some good points.

No my point wasn't specifically aimed at you, and I agree that Andre had huge advantages.

Goosen obviously had a big input on where certain fights would take place, and Andre is his man.

But like I say, Showtime staged the tournament. Showtime are a big American tv network, so the final was always going to be held in America, and the American fighters had an advantage over the fighters from Europe.

If Frank W, or Eddie Hearn etc had've promoted the tournament, the final would have been held in England, and Ward would have had to travel.

Like I say, Andre had an advantage, but Sauerland and Matchroom, and all the fighters involved, agreed to the terms of the tournament.

So, because of Showtime and Goosen, Andre didn't have to travel. But now Andre is getting abused for it.

Now he's the champ, he has even more power than before.

I would like to see him fight Froch in Britain, and Kessler in Denmark, but he doesn't need to. He's beaten both of them, and he's the man at 168.

He doesn't need to leave the U.S. that's just the way it is at the moment.

I see what you're saying, but it's not being two faced.

The European challengers agreed to fight in an American tournament.

Andre beat two of Europe's top two fighters, and pretty easily.

The tournament is now over, and Andre Ward is an American, fighting in America.

America is the home of boxing, and nothing will ever change that fact.

That's just the way it is. They have the biggest promoters, the biggest tv networks, and all of the best fighters in the world, bar the odd exception, either live there, or fight there.

American fighters have advantages over European fighters.

No top American fighter ever has to leave America.

If you don't live in America and you want to make it big, you simply have to move there or fight there.

Guys like Mayweather, will never have to fight outside of their own country like Froch and Kessler.

I've got a huge amount of respect for Carl and Mikkel.

But you can't say "they've travelled, so why doesn't Ward?"

They have to, whereas he doesn't need to.

It's not fair, but that's the way things are.

Carl wants another shot at Ward, and again, I admire him so much for chasing the rematch, but why does Ward want to fight Carl again?

Why would he want to go to Denmark to fight Kessler?

He doesn't need to.

The whole point of my post, was really in response to the bitter fans, who are upset that Ward beat their favourite fighters.

They're upset, so they're looking for reasons, any reasons to pull him down.

Bailey is hilarious, asking over and over, which top undefeated fighters has Ward beaten etc?

He's only had one OPPORTUNITY to do that, against Bute.

You can say he ducked Bute, but Bute wasn't part of the tournament that he won.

You're a good poster mate, but the bitter fans on here trying to pull Andre down, are getting embarrassing.


Regards, Loudon.

 

But the Super Middleweight Titles were only "paper titles" because Calzaghe relinquished them and moved up then retired. It wasn't as if they were new titles create in 2008 or 2009 or whatever. They still had history, they still have gravitas, importance that wasn't destroyed just because nobody wrenched them from Calzaghe's grip.

If they had been entirely new titles with no history then I'd agree with you that they were worthless but that wasn't the case. The people who held them were titleist, filling the Calzaghe shaped void until the new King could be crowned, Ward became that King but the titles were not worthless between Calzaghe's abdication and Ward's coronation. They might not have been as important as they could have been if someone had dethroned Calzaghe for them but they weren't garbage.

As to the matter of Ward not travelling, I agree that it was down to the promoters where the fights happened and he got the home fights because people underestimated him, and that the American networks would prefer to have the big-name Americans fight in America, so Ward choosing to stay in the US is justified from a business perspective.

But that does not mean that it can be justified by some ridiculous notion of "champions-priority" whereby the guy holding the titles never has to travel anywhere.

 

Andre is lucky that he's American, and Goosen is his promoter, and Showtime hosted the tournament.

If Froch was the unified champ, other fighters would have to travel to him. He'd have the power.

The K bros have their fights in Germany, but they wouldn't be able to, if they didn't have all the belts. Earlier on in their careers, they had to fight in the U.S.


Regards, Loudon.